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Andy Bassett
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posted 21 September 2000 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Bassett   Click Here to Email Andy Bassett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new ISO 9000:2000 has 8 main sections. As i understand it the first few sections is just assistance to writing the manual ie Scope and Normative References.

At some point you actually start writing how you satisfy the standard.

Is this correct. If yes where do i start writing up the standard? Before Section 4 the Quality Management System or before section 5 Management Responsibility?

Or am i completely away with the fair’es today.

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Marc Smith
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posted 25 September 2000 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I start with section 4.

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posted 26 September 2000 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
me too....

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StvFran
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posted 26 September 2000 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StvFran   Click Here to Email StvFran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I may be wrong but isn't section 4 just the system requirements ? Wouldn't you start your manual on section 5.

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posted 26 September 2000 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StvFran:

I may be wrong but isn't section 4 just the system requirements ? Wouldn't you start your manual on section 5.


I don't see any harm starting on section 5 -- I just address section 4 so some fool auditor doesn't pull the old "You didn't address section 4..." or something. It's no big deal -- section 4 is just a "We do this..." thingie.

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Andy Bassett
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posted 27 September 2000 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Bassett   Click Here to Email Andy Bassett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the question wasnt so daft.

I will probably accept your advise Marc, but would i be the only person that has a bad feeling in the stomach when writing such a handbook in respect of its value to the organisation.

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posted 27 September 2000 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are talking about a quality or systems manual and you are saying you fail to see any value in it -- yup - that's the way I see it. At best it's a sales gimmick.

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Spaceman Spiff
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posted 27 September 2000 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just went through a review session on the ISO9001:2000 FDIS yesterday and according to the instructor Sections 5.5.5, 5.5.6, and 5.5.7 of DIS were moved to Section 4 of FDIS. I guess we have to start with Section 4 after all.

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