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CHRISKOCAJ
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posted 02 May 2001 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CHRISKOCAJ   Click Here to Email CHRISKOCAJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WILL REGISTRARS/AUDITORS BEING AUDITING COMPANIES TO ISO 9004-2000 IN ADDITION TO ISO 9001-2000?
( I.E. ISO 9000-2000 IS THE FUNDAMNETALS AND TERMS/VOCAB,
ISO 9001-2000 IS THE ACTUAL 'STANDARD' AND QS 9004-2000 ARE THE GUIDELINES FOR PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS).
IF A COMPANY IS REALLY TRYING TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVED AND KNOWS THEY MEET THE QS 9001-2000 STANDARD, WOULDN'T HAVING THE AUDITOR CERTIFY TOWARDS QS9004-2000 SHOW A SUPERIOR COMPANY OVER A MEDCIORE ONE?

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I'VE FOUND OUT THAT ONLY ISO 9001-2000 IS INTENDED FOR CERTIFICATION OR FOR CONTRACTUAL PURPOSES.

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Marc Smith
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posted 22 May 2001 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Correct. You register to ISO 9001 and are audited only to ISO 9001.

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CHRISKOCAJ
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posted 22 May 2001 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CHRISKOCAJ   Click Here to Email CHRISKOCAJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more for you. The QS9000 and TS 16949 both have one standard as the base and an extension (boxed vs. unboxed, or italics and non-italicized). Do u think the ISO/TS 16949:2002 and ISO9001:2000 (combined = one doc.?)will be that way? One document, the ISO 9001:2000 as the base info and the TS as the extension?

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Dan Larsen
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posted 22 May 2001 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Larsen   Click Here to Email Dan Larsen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect yes...the 16949 revision will likely add the automotive interpretations to the new ISO 9000:2000 text (much the way QS adds the automotive requirements to ISO 9000:1994).

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Virgil 1
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posted 23 May 2001 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgil 1   Click Here to Email Virgil 1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As is written on the ISO 9001 standard on the introduction section, paragraph 0.3 - Relation with ISO 9004 - , the ISO 9001 is specifying the requirements for the quality management system AND HAS AS FINAL SCOPE OBTAINING THE CERTIFICATION.
The ISO 9004 is serving as source of advices for the continuously improvement of the quality system AND IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE USED FOR OBTAINING CERTIFICATIONS.
So, I think that the auditor will check during the audit only the requirements of ISO 9001 standard.

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