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Raffy
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posted 19 June 2001 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raffy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone,
When we speak of work environment, what does it do with OSHAS 18001? Does a simple health and safety seminar would be enough? certificate? training attendance? as a proof for Work environment? Please comment.
Thanks in advance,
Raffy
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Fire Girl
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posted 19 June 2001 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fire Girl   Click Here to Email Fire Girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raffy

If you are talking about Work Environment with respect to ISO 9K:2K, work environment could include such things as a healthy and safe work environment. It could also be things such as adequate lighting, good ergonomics and proper set up. Does the person have to walk halfway across your plant to get pieces for a small assembly? Does the job require even pressure; ie over time the worker will become fatigued and therefore not be working to his/her peak potential. That sort of stuff anyway...

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Marc Smith
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posted 19 June 2001 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Work environment has been a subjective requirement from the beginning. All you need is a stroy. Well, not a story, but be ready for a discussion.

Fire Girl's discussion is a good example which covers the basics. Auditor's do not walk around with light meters, for example, nor is there definitive criteria in most (99.99%) situations where a light meter would be necessary as a process criteria (as opposed to 'standard' laboratory conditions for which there are many sources of,to say the least, industry standards). If light is a 'critical' issue, the expectation would be they would want to see records of it being monitored.

Don't get excited. Work environment is subjective and relative. A metal turning station, for example, will typically be dirtier than a simple assembly area or a soldering station.

-> Does a simple health and safety seminar would be enough?

That's standard introduction training, isn't it? Has to include MSDS training. Or departmental specific in worst case? This has to be done.

-> certificate?

For what?

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benjamin
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posted 21 June 2001 07:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would our 5S effort fall under 6.4?

It seems that this would be managing the work environment to achieve conformity to product requirements.

Thanks.

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E Wall
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posted 21 June 2001 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for E Wall   Click Here to Email E Wall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As our registrar explained it 'work environment' definition is up to each company to define. Depending on your product/service needs this can vary from including temperature controls to decontamination proticols.

Your defined work environment should directly reflect what is (6.4) '...needed to achieve conformity to product requirements' as it pertains to the scope of your certification.

I would caution against additing any more into this detail that necessary. Remember you will have to show how you manage this as well as how it is defined.

Edit - Added ps: There is no linkage between ISO and OSHA.

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energy
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posted 21 June 2001 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for energy   Click Here to Email energy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by E Wall:

Edit - Added ps: There is no linkage between ISO and OSHA.

[This message has been edited by E Wall (edited 21 June 2001).]



Q9001:2000 Section 5.1 a)"communicating to the organization the importance of meeting customer as well as statutory and regulatory requirements". Couldn't that be interpreted as a link to OSHA, Federal, DEP regulations, if applicable?

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E Wall
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posted 21 June 2001 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E Wall   Click Here to Email E Wall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
energy:
No link between ISO & OSHA - we're talking regards to 6.4 and the Work Environment. No auditor will ask to see results of OSHA requirements as part of 'Work Environment' definition. Our auditor, for example, doesn't even want to hear "OSHA".

Strictly speaking we're to be identifying and managing the conditions of the work environment needed to achieve conformity of product. These conditions could include the physical, social, psychological and environmental factors.

Additionally, the work environment itself may need to be suitable for the activities performed. Proper lighting, ergonomics and cleanliness of the work area may be essential to the ability to produce conforming product. Ambient temperature, humidity and vibration may be conditions requiring control and monitoring when performing tasks such as the calibration of sensitive equipment.

Whether there is a relationship to an OSHA guideline or not is not under the audit scope.

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E Wall
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posted 21 June 2001 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E Wall   Click Here to Email E Wall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
energy:
No link between ISO & OSHA - we're talking regards to 6.4 and the Work Environment. No auditor will ask to see results of OSHA requirements as part of 'Work Environment' definition. Our auditor, for example, doesn't even want to hear "OSHA".

Strictly speaking we're to be identifying and managing the conditions of the work environment needed to achieve conformity of product. These conditions could include the physical, social, psychological and environmental factors.

Additionally, the work environment itself may need to be suitable for the activities performed. Proper lighting, ergonomics and cleanliness of the work area may be essential to the ability to produce conforming product. Ambient temperature, humidity and vibration may be conditions requiring control and monitoring when performing tasks such as the calibration of sensitive equipment.

Whether there is a relationship to an OSHA guideline or not is not under the audit scope.

Eileen

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