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From:AKRON,OHIO,USA
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posted 21 June 2001 04:11 PM               

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For those of you who are qs9000:3rd edition certified and will be going to iso 9001:2000 plus the new version (8 element) of iso/ts 16949: 2002 (assuming this is what the big3+ actually declare) will you:
A. Rewrite your docs from scratch OR
B. take your existing docs, translate them over and then fill in the 'gaps'..?

(in my case 'docs' are the quality manual + procedures + work instructions + forms + whatever iso/iec 17025 will require..)

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posted 21 June 2001 04:22 PM               

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Your conversion will be to TS 16949. I would expect the quality manual to change but very little else. Option A is silly and only "...FILL IN THE 'GAPS..." in Option B should be necessary.

I think you're expecting to have to do much more than reality will prove necessary.

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posted 21 June 2001 04:27 PM               

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what about the 20 element qs9000 conversion to the 8 element format of ISO 9001:2000?

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posted 21 June 2001 04:37 PM               

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ALSO, WE DECIDED TO WAIT TILL SPRING 2002 TO GO OVER TO ISO/TS 16949, SO, CURRENTLY WE ARE JUST QS9000, BEC OF THE NUMBER OF ELEMENT FORMATING AND NO OEM'S WERE REQUIRING IT (TS) STRONGLY.

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posted 21 June 2001 04:47 PM               

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Originally posted by CHRISKOCAJ:
what about the 20 element qs9000 conversion to the 8 element format of ISO 9001:2000?

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I see you are from Bridgestone/Firestone. Would you tell us who your registrar is for QS-9000?

QS-9000 won't align with ISO-9000:2000 (mho)

Start preparing for TS-16949 as soon as possible to ensure a smooth transition.

ASD...

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posted 21 June 2001 04:51 PM               

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lloyd's, lrqa

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posted 21 June 2001 04:57 PM               

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thanks! we have drafts of our docs to ts but we could not justify the certification cost (doc audits, prelim audits, cert audits)of switching to iso/ts (20 elmt)for x months then have to start over with the new std in 3/2002 (and the whole audit process again), that everyone is assuming will be iso9001:200 + iso/ts 16949 (both 8 element format). i'm missing something here...

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