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Howard Atkins
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posted 08 November 1999 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just received a copy of a communique from IATF which I received through Renault and PSA( Peugot and Citroen).
15 oct 1999 launch
" compilance with ISO/TS 16949 ..... is accepted as the international equivalent by IATF participating organisations..."

Please e-mail me with a fax number and I will send to anyone interested the full communique.

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Marc Smith
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posted 09 November 1999 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howard:

FAX me a copy if you will, please. Or Scan & e-mail.

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posted 09 November 1999 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Subject: Howard Atkins: ISO 16949 - IATF communiquŽ
Date: 09 Nov 1999 04:52:39 -0500
From: Richard.Sadler@vickers-systems.com
To: Marc

FAO: Howard Atkins

Howard,

I've just read your post in the ISO16949 forum and would be interested in getting the entire communiquŽ.

I've been working with my quality systems manager, towards QS9000, but I'm trying to get some buy-in towards ISO 16949. We are presently ISO 9001 and looking to go to QS 9000, or similar in the next couple of years. The more backing I can get from the big-boys (Big 3, Renault, etc,) the better.

The work you guys are doing on this forum has been really useful in getting us to the stage we are. I really appreciate the information you pass on.

Richard Sadler Fax: +44 (0) 1705 487110

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Richard Sadler
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Eaton Corporation - Vickers Industrial Products

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Roger Eastin
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posted 09 November 1999 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howard - please e-mail the announcement to me as well. I imagine it won't be too long before we get something more official from the Big 3 as well.

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posted 09 November 1999 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howard scanned and e-mailed it (faster than FedEx!!!) and it is posted at The Cayman pdf Files Zone as IATF.gif and IATF.PCX

My thanks, Howard!

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 09 November 1999).]

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Andy Bassett
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posted 13 November 1999 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Bassett   Click Here to Email Andy Bassett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He stated that auditors have not audited the "value-added" features of QS9K well enough! They've looked at too many of the details of the elements and have not had a systems approach as the B3 intends.

That was the message from Roger Eastin on October 21st, i picked it up on my second read and it buzzed around in my head for a few days.

It struck a cord because i would completely echo the view of whoever said that (I think it was someone from the big 3). I will no longer even bother making any apologies for not fully understanding any of the ISO standards. I will continue to use it as a background method of inforcing discipline (I dont know anything else that can do the same job) but present it as part of a wider programme of company improvement.

The Japanese laugh at our attempts to solve quality problems with standards, they believe that only peoples attitude and approach will really create progress.

It sounds like the Big 3 have recognised the problem, but are trying to solve it with yet another standard.

I know ive seen this before on this site, but it doesnt hurt to repeat it on this thread;
Founder of Matsushita;
'We are going to win and the industrial west is going to lose out. There is nothing much you can do about it because the reasons of your failure are within yourselves'

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Andy B

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Marc Smith
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posted 14 March 2000 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Roger Eastin:

Marc - What was the "Elsmar.com" message about?


The changeover has begun!

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