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chuy sanchez
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posted 10 March 2000 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chuy sanchez   Click Here to Email chuy sanchez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I JUST READ THE RQUIREMENTS OF TS/16949 EDITED BY GM ON HTTP://www.GMSUPPLIER.COM AND LOOK LIKE IS FOR european suppliers, but no say anything about it implementation, someone have read yet?

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Marc Smith
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posted 10 March 2000 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't gain access to the info - the site is restricted. What do they say there?

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chuy sanchez
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posted 10 March 2000 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chuy sanchez   Click Here to Email chuy sanchez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
on this site you can enter on public area, on developer suppliers, or engeenering area. So you can access all the info,
but this main thing is : they are required this rules as soon they are on the marketing and only for european suppliers...

please if you can access i would like your comments.

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posted 12 March 2000 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HTTP://www.GMSUPPLIER.COM/apps/gsnhome/supplierquality/procedures-manuals/ww_purch/index.htm at bottom of page

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posted 13 March 2000 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Howard! As always we appreciate your help!

Now... Let us consider something quite 'interesting'. Read 4.2.11 "Other QS-9000 Requirements"

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Other requirements addressed in QS-9000 and not addressed in ISO/TS 16949, the Automotive certification scheme for ISO/TS 16949, Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition, or this document shall be applicable to suppliers. Where similar requirements are contained in both QS-9000 and ISO/TS 16949, the requirements in ISO/TS 16949 take precedence for suppliers choosing to use ISO/TS 16949 rather than QS-9000.
I guess this means that you have to do the 16949 dance but you must also determine (like I guess I'd use a matrix to compare) what is in QS9000 but is not in TS16949 and comply with the extra stuff from QS9000 as well as the TS16949 requirements. Excuse me?

Say it ain't so, Joe! Dis ain't complicated enough!!!

Way to go GM! Please do confuse the issue(s)!

Also see https://elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000014.html and https://elsmar.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000266.html

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ml retcher
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posted 12 May 2000 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ml retcher   Click Here to Email ml retcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just yesterday I attended a workshop for TS 16949. There are 35 more shalls. Many to do with employee satisfaction, labs, audits (process, product) and process design requirements.
From what was said in the workshop the big 3 have not committed yet. However there is not a team rewriting QS but there is a team finalizing TS. I say in 3 years it will be the standard of the times.

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posted 12 May 2000 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Biz   Click Here to Email Jim Biz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohh No - Don't let Barb read this - (somebody's counting again )

I've pryed the "count how many" keys off my keyboard

Jim

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posted 12 May 2000 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, it looks like a few (35?) more "shalls" in TS. But I wonder, like Marc, what's in QS that is not in TS? Has anybody looked at that? I guess we better figure it out if QS isn't going away for 3 or so years.

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QS! TS! - I contend the total quality system is my suppliers issue. Lets go back to zero defects and quality process control. The focsus is and always will be product quality.
What's in the DFMEA, PFMEA, quality conrtol Plan, traceability and run@rate? Have we documented the process correctly and through run@rate have we verified its First Time Through rates for quality and production yields?

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QS! TS! - I contend the total quality system is my suppliers issue. Lets go back to zero defects and quality process control. The focus is and always will be product quality.
What's in the DFMEA, PFMEA, quality conrtol Plan, traceability and run@rate? Have we documented the process correctly and through run@rate have we verified its First Time Through rates for quality and production yields?

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