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J.R. Strickland
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posted 20 June 2000 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.R. Strickland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know the status of the Registration Scheme and Ford/DC Customer Specifics documents? I called the AIAG this morning and they are still "in publishing". How can companies get registered if these documents are not published? Is it me or does the rollout of this standard seem a bit disorganized and ad hoc?

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posted 03 July 2000 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Disorganized and ad hoc are both good descriptors and they are not mutually exclusive (so you're safe there, too)...

Have you spoken with your SQA?

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J.R. Strickland
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posted 13 July 2000 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.R. Strickland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have made several calls to Ford and DC with no response. I am not confident anyone there could answer my question anyway. My registrar heard that the customer specific requirements may not be published at all. The registration scheme apparently is "available" but is not published/available for purchase from AIAG.

No wonder the cost of vehicles keeps going up and up while suppliers profit margins keep getting smaller and smaller. We spend too much time trying to figure these guys out.

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Dan De Yarman
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posted 01 August 2000 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan De Yarman   Click Here to Email Dan De Yarman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to "Quality" magazine (July 2000) Entela "is the first North American registrar to revceive their Certificate of Recognition to perform ISO/TS 16949 audits" from the IATF. The article is located on pages 26 and 27.

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Jim Evans
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posted 02 August 2000 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Evans   Click Here to Email Jim Evans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We just completed one of our surveillance audits from KPMG. While here the auditor showed me a copy of 16949. He had just taken the test for it. However I am not sure where he got it. Have you tried ASQ or ANSI?

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J.R. Strickland
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posted 18 August 2000 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.R. Strickland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are 4 documents that make up the TS series (the "4-pack" as opposed to the "7-pack" for QS); 1) ISO/TS 16949 - Quality Systems - Automotive Suppliers - Particular requirements for the application of ISO 9001:1994, 2) ISO/TS 16949 Customer-Specific Manual (DaimlerChrysler and Ford only)(GM's is available off of the internet), 3) ISO/TS 16949 Checklist Manual, and 4) ISO/TS 16949 Automotive Certification Scheme - Rules for achieving IATF recognition. Of the 4, only the standard itself and the checklist are available for purchase from AIAG, the official source(I think) in the US. When I call AIAG, I am informed that the customer specific manual and the certification scheme are not released/published and there is no date available for when they will be published. Does anybody know what the registrars that are performing assessments are using in lieu of the two unreleased/unpublished documents? My understanding is that the TS certificates need to be very specific and include the actual customer specific requirements that the system has been audited and certified to. If the TS customer specifics for Ford and DC are not published, what was used? My guess is that when they are published they probably won't be much, if any, different than those contained in QS.

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