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Marc Smith
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posted 18 April 1999 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:06:51 -0400
From: Jay Warner
Subject: Re: ISO/QS Safety Training Mandates

[email protected] wrote:

> Could use some information.
> How does ISO/QS address Training in the workplace? Specifically
> Safety
> Training. How does it address Safety Awareness, Behavior-bassed
> Safety, and
> general Safety as opposed to Specific Hazard (Lockout/Tagout, PPE,
> etc.)
> OSHA, EPA mandated training? Does it mention anything about
> Continuous
> Improvement?
>
> Please take a look at the ITS web site at www.its.pwpl.com and check
> out
> the write up about the SafeStart program and let me know if that can
> be used
> to meet all or part of the ISO/QS mandates.

Mark,
Don't take my word as definitive, but here is the view from this bridge.

ISO has an 'element' on training. It says nothing about what or how you train anyone. The concern is that you specify what training is necessary for specific activities, then you train the appropriate people. Concurrently, you demonstrate as much.

If the SafeStart program was determined by mgt. as suitable for safe operation of specific equipment (or overall operations), then it would show up as a necessary part of preparation/continuation in selected positions/activities.

You would have a record sheet or log file, indicating who took the session. Documenting attendance for each session/class. If you spend a few minutes reviewing a portion with an employee, this needs to be logged, also.

Eventually you have a record of all training given each person. All of this is kept and used in the discussion of whether the training worked, and how to improve it. In the case of safety, the number of close calls might be an indicator of success, if you can get it documented well. This part might fall under corrective/preventive action.

It's too late for me to list it all out in full detail, but I think you can see there is a loop here, from _what_ is needed, to _who_ got it, to _how_ do you know, and _where_ do you improve/change it.

As an instructor, I have a little difficulty with the word 'given' as an indicator of training, but that can be handled at the interaction point between instructor and student, or student and student. It reflects a 'fill-the-bucket' philosophy of education/training, which ain't so and doesn't work. But the ISO part of your question doesn't care. Your preventive action should catch ineffective training. If it works.

Now, what does everyone else say?

Jay
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barb butrym
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posted 18 April 1999 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" shows proven proficiency/understands" is the terminology I use rather than 'given' or 'passed' the training. This can happen in the classroom, or later at the job site....depending,,,

Semantics, but it shows a record, and indicates whether the training was successful. Also has a place for further reinforcement/training/experience needed (Identification of needs) if done properly, can eliminate the need for detailed non value added procedures.

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posted 18 April 1999 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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" shows proven proficiency/understands"
I agree with this verbiage.

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posted 19 April 1999 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey marc..it's scary when we agree so much...LOL

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