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Howard Atkins
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posted 22 November 1999 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A tier one that I have been supplying for years has now "requested" annual PPAP, not just layout, which GM his customer does not require itself but a whole blown PPAP.
Has anyone else any war stories!!!!

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Laura M
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posted 22 November 1999 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laura M   Click Here to Email Laura M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a new one!

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Marc Smith
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posted 22 November 1999 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's not ONLY you. I have had clients which had customers requiring a full PPAP once a year, including a FULL dimensional layout.

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David Guffey
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posted 22 November 1999 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Guffey   Click Here to Email David Guffey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, this is one of those cases where it matters not what the standard says. The customer has communicated the expectation and it must (or at least should) be met.

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posted 24 November 1999 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALM   Click Here to Email ALM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fortunately, only ONE of our customers is requiring "annual recertification" of their parts (PPAP). UNfortunately, this customer is #2 as far as quantity of automotive parts are concerned.

It really, really sucks.

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posted 30 November 1999 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Batman   Click Here to Email Batman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is more and more common. I think this is a spinoff of the old "Certification" everyone used to send - "We certify the product conforms..."

Some reasons for this? Example---
This is misuse of the term "Annual PPAP." Where in the standard does it state this? However, due to the concerns listed above and elsewhere, not all folks are performing PPAP's according to the standard, or customer expectations. The auditors usually check the PPAP files for a "current" PPAP. This usually means checking the current revision of the customer's drawing, then verifying the PPAP on file lists this revision level. How easy it is to require your suppliers to help fulfil this requirement by requesting an annual PPAP. This almost always assures a current PPAP to the current drawing.

Another example---
If I do "Supplier Development" well, I have a reliable supplier, whose measurements I trust. Submitting a Level III PPAP allows me to sit at my desk and review the documents. Maybe even send a couple of parts to the measurement lab for verification. Not too many resources in use there. And my suppliers will use many of their resources to accomplish this, and I don't have to.

I just will not do APQP well, and I will not have the resources my sales staff promised when they land the new project, and there was no communication for resource planning or allocation, and I don't understand capability, and so I need data for my file...
Heh heh...

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posted 01 December 1999 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam   Click Here to Email Sam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good News, Just received my new copy of the third edition (PPAP), now everything will be crystal clear and there will be no more questions.

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