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J Verdi
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posted 08 December 1999 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J Verdi   Click Here to Email J Verdi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are a coil processing plant that does work for suppliers of the big 3. Our coils range anywhere from 8,000 to 60,000 lbs. when shipped. My question is this. Are we considered a "bulk material" subcontractor and need to follow the criteria in the new 3rd edition of PPAP for bulk material (Which seems slightly easier and closer to what we do)? One last thing. The coils are given a production number from the customer. Does this automaticly make it production material and the standard PPAP needs to be performed?
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dewie
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posted 09 December 1999 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dewie   Click Here to Email dewie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For my meaning, bulk material is like chemicals or paint that you mix in a tank. It has the same properties all through the tank. After packaging, every bottles still have the same properties.
So, I think your product is not bulk material.

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David Guffey
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posted 09 December 1999 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Guffey   Click Here to Email David Guffey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dewie's right. You are NOT a bulk supplier. You MAY BE and most likely are a raw material supplier. Yes, you are subject to PPAP if you are gearing toward QS-9000. After all, you are responsible for ensuring consistent chemical, metallurgical, and physical properties from coil-to-coil and shipment-to-shipment. The purpose of this is so that the users of the steel can be assured that their product will come out the same time and time again. I'm sure we all know what variations in our raw materials can do to us. If you have selected a registrar already, ask your registrar. And of course, you can always ask your customer to determine their expectations. For, no matter what any of us write here, if your customer wants "it" a certain way, that's the way!

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J Verdi
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posted 20 December 1999 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J Verdi   Click Here to Email J Verdi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 3rd edition of PPAP states in appendix F that bulk steel/coils are examples of bulk material. We are a final processor. we are not manufacturing the steel. It is confusing. I am going to follow your advice and just do the regular "PPAP"

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