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Author Topic:   What if none of the customers want APQP and PPAP
sarang
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posted 10 February 2000 03:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We spoke to many of our customer and most of them did not care whether we had QS or not, whether we did APQP, PPAP, etc. or not, neither are any of our customers demanding it. At this point of time, we are working towards getting QS certification. I have my first FMEA out and am working on APQP. If the customers do not need that, do I still have to worry about getting it in place? Experienced people please advice!!!

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posted 10 February 2000 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who are your customers? B3? other non-B3 automotive customers? are you tier 1 or 2? I would be really puzzled if one of the B3 did not care if you did QS!!! There have been breaches in the wall before, but this would be a lulu!!

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posted 10 February 2000 04:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, B3 are not our customers. We make truck bodies on chassis supplied by GMC, freightliner, etc. but do not directly supply to any of the B3, so dont be surprised. We are a custom body producing company!!

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posted 10 February 2000 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you register to QS you have to have systems in place for APQP and PPAP and you have to have at least 1 PPAP package as evidence that your systems can function.

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sarang
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posted 10 February 2000 04:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks marc!!

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posted 11 February 2000 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam   Click Here to Email Sam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If QS is not required,why pursue it?
I would suggest a process implementing TQM & TPM patterned after the Toyota Production System.
You will achieve better results, get more positive management feedback and QS will be easier to implement in the future.

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posted 11 February 2000 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think you are better off implementing a TQM program than doing QS. Implementing ISO9000 might be a good base and then implementing a good TQM program. Of course, this assumes that you have good management backing.

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posted 14 February 2000 01:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We already have ISO9001 and plan to supply to B3 in the future, but do not do it currently and probably thats one of the many reasons we need QS9K.

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