posted 30 April 2000 01:12 PM               

Also the old ppap was with 2 ed. and this new ppap is applying ??

somebody help !!!!

posted 01 May 2000 09:58 PM               

Let's say you move 2 processes. One is a hand rivet operation. The 2nd is a 10 ton press.

Moving the hand rivit operation will probably not affect capability.

On the other hand, moving the press involves many things: how level the floor is, how deep the building foundation is at that point (vibration issues), possible torque of the press during moving, etc., etc. I would expect your plan to re-PPAP that process.

So - you take a good look at what you change when you do the move. Make a list of the processes and identify those that have a potential to change as a result of the move.

Make your plan (whch you should be doing anyway) and submit it to your customer SQA (or whatever activity is handling your PPAPs). Ask for approval.

Why do I say submit a plan or 'proposal'? If you do it with a few sentences about each process to explain why you do or do not plan to re-PPAP (let's face it - you're going to do a setup of the 10 ton press after you move it anyway because you know the move will change too many factors - tell the SQA that is a few words). These folks don't want to do your planning for you. Don't ask them what to do. Do your homework and submit a plan with reasoning.

If you don't submit a plan you're more likely to get a response like Full PPAP.

One last comment - If you last PPAPed 1 year ago your customer may require a 1 year resubmission anyway.

posted 22 July 2000 04:02 PM               

Most people say look in the PPAP book. If youy read my first response above you will see there is no black and white. If you have two furnaces, for example, and you have evidence (maybe by thermal profiling) that each is essentially 'the same', you would *probably* not need to PPAP that furnace.

As I said in the post above, I would talk to (or meet with) the supplier SQA and pose the issue. Discuss which specifics they want rePPAPed including the time required and 'what it buys'. Again, as an example, if you have a small hand press that sits on a table and you want to move it to another table, I cannot see why you would rePPAP that move unless it was a move from the third floor where it's air conditioned to the basement where it's 95 degrees all the time (affect operator?).

RePPAP each tool change? What if you change tools 4x a day. Obviously you're not goint to rePPAP every tool change.