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Susan
unregistered 		posted 20 July 2000 02:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are a QS 9000 registered, bulk material, tier 2 supplier.

Page 1 of PPAP 3rd Edition states that for bulk material suppliers, PPAP is not required unless requested by our customers. During a recent audit our auditor, SGS International, said that even if a customer does not request a PPAP, we still need to document/retain in-house the 19 items in table I.2.2 on page 16. We did not interpret
the standard this way. We are not creating/retaining this information unless requested by a customer (as a standard business pratice, we have some of the info but our retention time is approx. 5 years only).

What is the correct interpretation? If SGS is incorrect, how do I "point" this out to them?

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Spaceman Spiff
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posted 21 July 2000 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Susan, your interpretation is the correct one. Section 4.2.4.1 of he QS9K 3rd Ed states "The supplier shall fully comply with all requirements set forth in the Production Part Approval Process (PPAP) manual." Since PPAP manual states that it is not required (which is a form of waiver), then SGS is out of line to require you to perform a PPAP exercise.

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Right or wrong, there are registrars who require at least 1 full PPAP to be completed as evidence that you have a system which can produce a PPAP whether you have ever been required to do one or not. But - I do not have direct experience in PPAPing bulk materials so I don't know what's involved in your case.

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posted 21 July 2000 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam   Click Here to Email Sam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been there ,done that.
You will not be able to convince your registrar/auditor that they are wrong.
The requirement is quite clear 4.2.4.1 "fully comply...". This is a QS9000 requirement not a customer requirement.
If you are really convinced that your interpretation is correct submit it to the IASG for clarification.

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