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Steph
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posted 01 October 1999 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph   Click Here to Email Steph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if anyone will know the answer to this one, but, we are currently completing the application for the SCC (Canadian Registrar) for Guide 25. I contains 42 pages of questions and one in particular seems a little odd. It says "Does the company have resumes of the supervisory personnel stating the qualifications and relevant experience for each". We have a training record, and education record, but as far as previous employers training or experience we have none of this. Is there some other way of organizing this info? Has any other registrar asked for this?

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posted 01 October 1999 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for admin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not close enough to Guide 25 to know what the registrars for that have asked for. However, I'll throw in my 2 cents worth anyway. I would expect them to list experience and education on their resume or an attachment. The resume is the experience list. Jobs, at a minimum, are there. Most folks list, or have an attachment, with relative classes, like Lead Assessor Course. You could ask the person for a copy of their cert. See Elsmar.com/Cay_Pics/LA_Cert981105.jpg for example. I list some specific training right on my resume - see Elsmar.com/resume.html#resume_specs

I believe my resume fulfills the "...resume...stating the qualifications and relevant experience for..." requirement you cite.

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Steph
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posted 05 October 1999 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph   Click Here to Email Steph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if, the employees have been with the company for 10 years and we do not have a resume for them. Some people have been employeed here for a number of years and all there experience and training is from a previous job 14 years ago!

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posted 05 October 1999 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then you state that -Employee- has had -x- years of experience in -job- which qualifies them to do that job. You still have to have stated requirements. If you, say, made a requirement saying -Job- requires a college degree and the current holder does not have a college degree, you just 'grandfather' with proof of compentence being satisfactory or better yearly reviews (or whatever you have). Grandfathering in this case is simply saying the person does not meet the current criteria but was in the position prior to the creation of the documented job requirement and that, as I said, proof of compentence being satisfactory or better reviews.

If, on the other hand, you have someone in a job who really isn't qualified, you might have a problem.

Typically job qualifications allow lattitude through statements such as "...a combination of education and experience...". I have seen experience compared to education expressed as a ratio of 4 to 1 or 5 to 1. Like job requires 4 years college or 3 years college and 4 years experience or 2 years of college and 8 years experience. By the time you reach this, 10 years experience usually does the trick.

But there are some considerations, such as engineering degrees for design engineers. But - even there you could make a case for experience.

If your folks have been functioning in the lab OK for all these years, you should have no problem as long as they do meet requirements. For example, someone has to be the 'expert' in uncertainty as it relates to your calibrations and tests. I do know there was static talk about requirements for lab managers in the guide 25 list serve this summer. I wasn't paying real close attention, though. Some folks were taking it very seriously practically wanting an academic or 'scholoarly' type while others were saying if they know how to do the job, formal education is not an issue. There was also commentary on the different aspects such as manageing a lab as opposed to understanding theory.

Have I sufficiently confused the issue for you?

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posted 18 October 1999 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph   Click Here to Email Steph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have confused me, but also I think I have a better understanding.
Thanks for the help!!!

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posted 18 October 1999 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, tell us how you're still confused and maybe we can 'talk this through' some more.

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posted 19 October 1999 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you do not use the resume as a means to certify or meet training/cert needs then you don't need one....State what you use then provide a means to show evidence of it

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