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  How to do a profile on a surface with one datum

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Author Topic:   How to do a profile on a surface with one datum
posted 27 March 2001 03:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm learning somewhat on how to measure a profile of a surface. I need help on how to do this correctly and to do a correct cpk on the profile. Here is example of what I'm dealing with. On the design print I'm dealing with a ignition coil. On this print it calls out for this profile. Here is an example.Profile symbol/2.0/datum A. Sorry it wouldn't paste my picture to show better example. This is really new to me. I doing this on CMM / With a MM3 program. If someone could help step by step I would really appreciate it. Also, if I would a cpk study on this what would be the tolerance zone for this +/-.

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posted 15 April 2001 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ayone have any ideas for this one? (Bump)

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posted 15 April 2001 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul F. Jackson   Click Here to Email Paul F. Jackson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the measured feature and the datum feature are parallel to one another, then measure the displacement and compare it to the basic. Chart the point to establish process control. When control is established, determine the size of the profile zone required to contain each measured point and compare the mean and associated standard deviation of the resultant zones to specified profile tolerance. Report Cpk from (Cpu or Cpku) in other words compare the encroachment of the distribution on the upper limit and discard the Cpl.

If Datum A is an axis and the measured feature is displaced from it then the measured points can be compared from their basics, charted and controlled, reported according to the size of the zone necessary to contain each one, and predicted for capability. Just like above.

If the measured feature is defined at any other angle than 180 degrees to the datum feature plane or axis then only orientation to A can be determined. For instance a surface or axis can be measured for perpendicularity to a datum surface or axis. Note: The measured feature is free to rotate perpendicular to the datum surface A. Chart the oriented feature form deviation which is the size of the profile zone needed to contain all measured points on the feature. Establish control and then use the same resultant zones to predict capability.

If the datum feature A is a point (center of a sphere) then the displacement can be measured as well but it is probably easier to orient the measured feature and measure the displacement of the datum feature to it.

Good luck, Paul

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posted 15 April 2001 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zeno   Click Here to Email Zeno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There isn't enough information in your post to help you. If you'd like an opinion, email a section of the blueprint to I've taught GD&T classes and have more than 10 years experience running a CMM. Profiles can be tricky. The most common error is to report the maximum deviation from nominal as the profile when in reality it is twice the max deviation. Unless your problem deals with a planar surface parallel to datum -A-, the solution will require some best fit algorythm to be performed on the data.

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