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Diana3643 Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 4 |
My company does not have a Lab. Does this mean I have to send out simple things i.e. Calipers, Mics etc to be calibrated. To ensure suitable evriomental conditions? Thanks IP: Logged |
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Jerry Eldred Forum Wizard Posts: 136 |
The simple answer is YES, you do have to send those items out for calibration. If you are a QS9000 company, they need to be correctly calibrated by an adequate lab. The more complicated answer is NO, you don't have to send them out. The context of this is that you could choose to do them internally. If you make that decision, you need adequate procedures, properly traceable standards, adequately trained personnel to do the calibrations, and environment controlled adequately to assure your calibrations are legitimate (regarding environment). If you have people with adequate background who could be trained to calibrate them in-house, it's not terribly expensive to calibrate calipers. I would caution though, that if you don't have any trained personnel in-house, you'll want to invest in assuring you set the lab up correctly. If the calipers and micrometers have any potential impact on product quality or whether it will meet your claimed product specs, I would weigh carefully as to whether or not you want to take on that risk. In some situations, little details of the calibrations on micrometers can make a difference as to whether they make good readings or not. If you don't have adequately trained personnel, and the other needed things to calibrate them correctly, you will induce some potential risk by taking that on. There is good reason why manufacturer's have recommended calibration procedures and intervals on these things. So it is indeed important to calibrated them correctly to minimize risk. If there is any human safety risk potential in the products you manufacture (i.e.: automotive, medical, FAA, etc..), then think carefully before making the decision to do in-house. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Pamela Kaczmarczyk unregistered |
I am in the same position, my company is looking at starting in house calibration. I would be the person responsible for doing the calibrations. My question is what constitutes adequately trained personnel and adequate facilities for performing calibrations? I read a self study guide that states " an individual would need to provide objective evidence that they have training in the lab field which goes beyond task and function". Also, my company is looking at where to locate the calibration activities - the thought is putting it in library. Is this ok? We are looking at calibrating attribute gauges, micrometers, calipers, etc. Can anyone help me out with some insightfull anwers? Thanks in advance!! IP: Logged |
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Jerry Eldred Forum Wizard Posts: 136 |
I'll try to help. As to what constitutes adequately trained personnel, there is not a really simple, easy answer. That depends on the complexity of the calibrations. I was ex-Navy, and had attended the calibration school at Lowry AFB, along with extensive Navy electronics training. I worked under others knowledgable in the field for many years. So as a complex package, it all added up to "adequate" training. For someone starting fresh, you need some building blocks of training. There are a number of ways to accomplish it. The simplest would be to locate individual training courses for each instrument type you will support. Some of the manufacturers have courses in dimensional measurements (Mitutoyo has, I believe, courses held in the Chicago area, Charlotte NC area, and perhaps some other places). Their course is a few days long and covers the principals of dimensional measurements. This in itself would probably not be fully satisfactory. You will need some courses in general metrology, and perhaps some background (such as through ASQ) in Quality. There is a course through a calibration training provider in Minnesota on CD ROM. You could do something such as purchase those courses, and have tests proctored through your training department, and add those to the mix. Fluke has a course in basics of electrical measurements. Another area that I have found useful over the years is membership with NCSL (National Conference of Standards Laboratories) found at www.ncsl-hq.org . They have a lot of information on how to set up a calibration program, resources for training, etc. Training should include specific certified training for equipment types you will calibrate, and courses in general metrology. It also makes some difference as to what level of quality system your company must maintain. If you are QS9000, FDA, USDA, FAA or NRC compliant (and possibly others), your calibration program must be a lot more stringent than if you don't need to comply. Please feel free to email for more detailed questions. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Ken K Forum Contributor Posts: 44 |
"My question is what constitutes adequately trained personnel and adequate facilities for performing calibrations?" That's a tough question to answer. If this is the career path you choose, then I would recommend a degree in Metrology. There is so much involved in the running of Of course, these are my opinions and I could be wrong, but I hope I was of some help. [This message has been edited by Ken K (edited 02 May 2001).] IP: Logged |
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Pamela Lurker (<10 Posts) Posts: 1 |
Thanks Jerry and Ken K for your answers. I appreciate your assistance!! You can be sure I will have many more questions in the future!! Pamela IP: Logged |
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TorqueGuy Forum Contributor Posts: 10 |
There is a company in CA called Metron Institute for Metrology Training. They offer corespondence courses in metrology. They also offer package courses including an instructor module so that you can train your own employees. The courses are inexpensive and the first one I received appears to be pretty good. Their phone number is (909) 465-9606 IP: Logged |
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Graeme Forum Contributor Posts: 30 |
quote: Pamela, The general considerations for a dimensional calibration lab include control of temperature, humidity, cleanliness, vibration and access. The library is probably better than the manufacturing floor, but you have to look at your measurement requirements to see if it is "good enough". For example:
NCSL has a recommended practice on calibration laboratory design -- see the contact information in a message from Jerry Eldred elsewhere in this thread. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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JRKH Forum Contributor Posts: 10 |
Let me ask the panels opinion on my situation. We are not currently ceritfied, but need to become QS by end of 2002. I have been responsible for my company's calibrations for 8 years. I have no formal metrology training, just a book on calibration, and 15 years experience in Quality and almost 30 years in manufacturing. Precision in our business is generally +/-.005 inch. My "lab" is an office shared by the Shop foreman, DNC computers, and CMM. It is air conditioned, but I haven't tried to control it to 20 deg. C +/-2 deg. We do calibrate to a set of tracable gage blocks which are checked every 36 months by an outside lab. I calibrate Mics, calipers, verniers on the gage blocks. Some larger tools, protractors and fixtures are checked on the CMM which is calibrated once a year by an outside source. Whew..... So tell me. How bad off am I. What will auditors nail me on. IP: Logged |
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