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  17025, Guide 25, A2LA (Cal., Meas., and Test)
  iso/iec 17025 vs iso 9000

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Author Topic:   iso/iec 17025 vs iso 9000
wil
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posted 25 June 2001 10:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am working on a quality manual in regards to iso 17025. However, I do have an old manual that conforms to iso 9000, as 9000, and di 9000. Is there are matrix to show the correlation between these standards and those for iso 17025?

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posted 25 June 2001 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Eldred   Click Here to Email Jerry Eldred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll pass this on to Marc, as that isn't my expert area. However, my layman's input would be that they are like apples and oranges to some degree. ISO9000 et.al. are over quality systems for companies. ISO17025 is the replacement for Guide 25, which is attuned to how a calibration lab should be organized. An ISO9000 company (or QS9000 in my case), would use ISO10012, Guide 25 (now ISO17025) to set up structure for the calibration function. QS9000 in section 4.11 says to use ISO10012 as a guide for setting up calibration program (that is a vast oversimplification).

Marc... I'll let you have this one.

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posted 25 June 2001 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe there may be. I'll have to take a look. I'm not a Guide 25 or 17025 person. I understand what's going on, but have never had to do a project.

The best place to ask this question is on Greg Gogates listserve. They're all *real* metrology and testing lab experts. It's a wonderful listserve focused on Metrology and test labs.

My computer is content indexing. I'll get you the address and other info if I can. I do think there's a cross-reference around somewhere. Maybe in the pdf_files directory. I'll get back on this.

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posted 26 June 2001 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, first of, you can join Greg Gogates ListServe by writing him at:

iso25@fasor.com

The following is from last March:

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Subscribers,
I have been having some issues with my ISP lately. That is why some of
you have ben having problems connecting to this site.
Everything is now sorted out. I have moved everything to fasor.com and it
all works.

To post a message, post to: iso25@quality.org
To contact me, post to: iso25@fasor.com
To get to our web space: http://www.fasor.com/iso25
To get to our ftp space: ftp://ftp.fasor.com/iso25

Time marches on!

Cheers,
Greg

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Tel 610)222-9348
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Next, I have searched around my disks and whilst I thought I had a matrix I can't find it.

In the pdf_files directory there is a file Guide25_vs_17025.ppt which you might wnt to look at.

There was a relatively good listserve discussion which took place this last February which Greg may have in archive. The thread subject was: 17025 equivalency to 9002.

Sorry I can't help more than that off hand. Maybe one of the others has some input for you.

And again, get on Greg's listserve. It's a really good listserve.

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posted 08 July 2001 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilde   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off, I'd like to say that I'm sorry for not getting to this sooner, I've just started a new job and spent a great deal of time and effort in normalizing my life. That said...

If you have an honest to goodness copy of ISO 17025, then it comes with a matrix. Look at Annex A of 17025 - It is titled "Nominal cross-references to ISO 9001:1994 and ISO 9002:1994". It seems the fine folks at ISO have thought of you in advance (don't get used to it!).

Ryan, who has to go through another 17025 accreditation process because he works for a different company :-( What was I thinking?

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posted 08 July 2001 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ryan,

Right on!

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