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k.t
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posted 01 September 2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for k.t   Click Here to Email k.t     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realise that there is no reference to product recall in QS9000 or ISO9000:1994 or ISO9K:2K, if were to be added how would it be included within the Manual and Procedures?

Another Uni question I'm afraid. I find it quite worrying that there are no requirements for this within the ISO system, surely this is a vital part of customer service/satisfaction and confidence?

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Claes Gefvenberg
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posted 04 September 2000 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Claes Gefvenberg   Click Here to Email Claes Gefvenberg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Karen,

I'm not all that familiar with QS9000, so I'll limit my reply to ISO...

In both the 1994 and the 2k issues I'd put it under "Control of nonconforming product". Even though the product has left your premises, a recall would be part of just that. There is also Corrective actions" to consider.

/ Claes Gefvenberg

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Eug¸ne
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posted 06 September 2000 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eug¸ne   Click Here to Email Eug¸ne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kate,

I think you have to place it under 4.8 Identification and Traceability. That's where VDA 6.1 (the German 'QS')refers to. VDA 6.1 has a clause (6) which describes the recall.
It is a bit strange to me that I can't find back something about this subject in TS. During VDA-audits (2nd & 3rd party) it is allways checked. And now it don't seem that important anymore.

[This message has been edited by Eug¸ne (edited 06 September 2000).]

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Alf Gulford
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posted 06 September 2000 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alf Gulford   Click Here to Email Alf Gulford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to muddy things up a bit, as a medical device person I'd have to put recall info under 4.14 since that's where ISO 13485 and EN 46001 place it.

Probably not a consideration for QS folks, just another perspective.

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k.t
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posted 06 September 2000 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for k.t   Click Here to Email k.t     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Guys

It astounds me, that this is not considered a major part of QS9000. I appreciate the sections that mention non-conforming products. Surely, it is important that, with customers having the right to sue, personally, anyone who is deemed to have created, manufactured etc, etc etc anything that is defective, that this should be an integral part of any Quality Manual. Maybe I am talking complete rubbish. I don't know enough to actually hold a reasoned debate about it as I do not have access to QS/ISO9000 handbooks, I just get a glimpse every now and again at work, if I'm lucky!!!

Please correct me if I am wrong.


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David Mullins
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posted 06 September 2000 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Mullins   Click Here to Email David Mullins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kate don't forget, buyer beware!
(Caveat Emptor)

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