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Randy
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posted 19 May 2000 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got my hands on a copy of Executive Order 13148 - April 22, 2000. The title is "Greening the Government Through Leadership in Environmental Management"

The gist of the order is that the government is to develope and implement an Environmental Management System in all agencies across the board. The order addresses all of the ISO 14000 clauses and uses some of the neat words and phrases from it also.

I am slowly digesting it and am not going to take much time here regurgitating what I have digested.

I suggest that interested folks go to the White House home page and look up the Executive Orders.

I am editing my copy and will E-mail it to anyone who wants it when I am done.

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Marc Smith
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posted 21 May 2000 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure - I'd like a copy. Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard of this spec.

I'm doing some work for Ford, by the way, at the Sgaronville transmission plant. They have ISO14001 signs everywhere (they're planning to implement).

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barb butrym
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posted 21 May 2000 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like one too......if you would.

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Tuan
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posted 22 May 2000 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuan   Click Here to Email Tuan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you give me a copy too.

Many thanks
Tuan (vtarmit@hotmail.com)

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Marc Smith
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posted 22 May 2000 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might just want to post the link (url).

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posted 22 May 2000 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christian Lupo   Click Here to Email Christian Lupo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I'll be the cynic...I had a copy of the Executive order since 9/99, and I was thrilled when I saw it. The order mandates EMSs across federal agencies and directs that "each agency shall ensure enabling systems are established to support environmental leadership programs, policies, and procedures. Agency senior level management sahll explicitly and actively endorse these systems."

From conversations with federal employees, most feel that they will not seek third party certification, and feel they have the resources "in house" to implement an EMS.

This of course is not good news for consultant or registrars.

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Randy
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posted 22 May 2000 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work on a US military installation that has a staffed environmental office full of "professionals". Recently 2 of the "professionals" attended an EMS Lead Auditor course at taxpayer (our) expense. When I tried to talk to them about bringing the installation environmental program more in line to 14K, neither one could distinguish the difference between system management and regulatory compliance. When they asked me what I knew about 14K, I explained that I have been working with it almost 3 years and that I was certified by the RAB as an auditor (I even showed them my card). Both replied that the RAB certification didn't mean anything because they had attended a course too.
These guys are the ones that will be charged with implementing an EMS here.
So much for internal sources.

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posted 22 May 2000 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"...So much for internal sources...." So much for brains... Yeah - I took a course, too... HA! Sounds like so many of the 'experts' in ISO implementation...

They say: "...I took a course so I know what to do...." Ha! Takes balls, doesn't it!

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Randy
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posted 22 May 2000 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc you don't know the totality of it. I deal with these DA civil service "professionals" on a daily basis in the EHS world , and not one of them has the gonads to attempt in the outside world what they preach in the security of their installation's envelope.

I can guarantee that I have had the pleasure to meet truly knowledgeable and professional civil service types but they are few and far between.

I cringe to think of the chowderheads establishing and self-certifying EMS or any other ISO based or type system. The tendancy to short-cut and ignore is well entrenched and accepted. The DA civilian culture prohibits continuous improvement and corrective action on a timely basis, and when certifying employee competence forget it.

My intent is to consult with the contractors and subs who will eventually need to have some type of program in place in order to do business.

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