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Jim Biz
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posted 15 February 2001 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Biz   Click Here to Email Jim Biz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have recieved a notification from our registrar - informing us that a full additional audit day will be required when we make the transition from 9002 to the 2000 standards version.

My management has asked me to explain "why" the extra day is needed - and what we recieve for the additional costs.

1) "IS this unique" to our registrar or is it showing up eleswhere?

2) What paragraphs/areas of the new version do you feel have been changed to the point that a full day of auditing would need to be used?

Opinions?/ Comments?


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Doug Stimson
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posted 15 February 2001 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug Stimson   Click Here to Email Doug Stimson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I deal with two registrars and both have indicated one additional day. There is also a "disclaimer" depending on the size and nature of the business. I have talked to both and they admittedly don't have enough data (actual audits) know for sure.

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posted 15 February 2001 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for awk   Click Here to Email awk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Adding days for auditing appears to be the standard, this from the registrars I am in contact with. There is a required number of audit days that are mandated by RAB or SCC (Canada), dependent upon the number of employees. The lowest structure is 1 - 15 employees. There are new areas such as Customer Focus, Customer Satisfaction, Communications, etc.

I am advising my clients to enter the new requirements for their surveillance audits, where agreed upon with their registrar of choice.


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barb butrym
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posted 17 February 2001 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 2 registrars I deal with are not adding days...they are auditing to the new standard now, with findings only as "opportunities' so that when the transition period is over, they will have covered the ground.

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Ron Byrge
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posted 19 February 2001 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ron Byrge   Click Here to Email Ron Byrge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth, we're not planning to increase the time required for the transition to the new revision, unless the folks wait until the last day to get started. We will look at the new items as they're ready over the next 2.8 years (whatever) and go forward from there. There really isn't a need to increase the time spent, in our opinion. This is our policy, barring any contrarian "guidance" we receive from the RAB.

Ron Byrge
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posted 24 February 2001 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for isodog   Click Here to Email isodog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it all about money or what??

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Graham R O'Geran
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posted 26 February 2001 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham R O'Geran   Click Here to Email Graham R O'Geran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking from a UKAS accredited certification body,we were told that the 9000/2000 should not be a money making exercise.
Our view is that we have quoted our clients for a three year term, even if there is additional time required for the transition we have to honour the original quote.
We all new the new standard was coming, surely all certification bodies took appropiate measures??

I ahve only just subsribed to this service and all ready found it very interesting.

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John C
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posted 17 March 2001 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John C   Click Here to Email John C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here in Ireland, my client and myself are planning an audit to '2000 in about two months. The registrar, NSAI, did not mention any extra fee and, far from taking advantage, they seem to be very supportive in our bid to upgrade.
I don't see any reason why an audit against '2000 should take extra time, unless the auditor is not proficient in carrying out such and audit. There will be an extra cost to your registrar, just as there is to all of us, in getting through the learning curve and becoming proficient. Is your registrar expecting you to finance this learning stage? I suggest you ask him, copying your management. And, if not, then ask what is pushing the time up? Logically, if it isn't due to the registrar auditor's lack of proficiency, then it can only be a reocurring charge and will apply again next time. I suggest you ask about that as well.
If you don't get satisfaction, you have an alternative, ie; NSAI, Barb's registrars, etc.
rgds John C

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posted 29 March 2001 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juancisneros   Click Here to Email juancisneros     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BSI does not charge another day for ISO9k:2k, you can contact in


Juan A Cisneros M
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