FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin) - Which one keeps changing
Re: FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin)-Which one keep changing
The AIAG FMEA manual, and its companion SAE document are vague on the requirements, which is in keeping with the generally obtuse nature of AIAG documentation. I'm looking at SAE J1739 right now because someone has apparently walked off with my AIAG manual
but they are identical in this regard, I think:
The "Scheduled start of production date" may change, and often does, so the PFMEA should be updated accordingly. On the other hand, the manual doesn't make it clear that there is a difference between the PFMEA process and the output document, so the phrase "...the date the original PFMEA was compiled..." isn't especially clear. I think they want the date that the original document was created, rather than the date when the PFMEA process began, but I prefer to use the latter because it's a more accurate indicator of the chronology.
So to answer your question, the due date might change, but in general the orgin date won't.
The AIAG FMEA manual, and its companion SAE document are vague on the requirements, which is in keeping with the generally obtuse nature of AIAG documentation. I'm looking at SAE J1739 right now because someone has apparently walked off with my AIAG manual
but they are identical in this regard, I think:The "Scheduled start of production date" may change, and often does, so the PFMEA should be updated accordingly. On the other hand, the manual doesn't make it clear that there is a difference between the PFMEA process and the output document, so the phrase "...the date the original PFMEA was compiled..." isn't especially clear. I think they want the date that the original document was created, rather than the date when the PFMEA process began, but I prefer to use the latter because it's a more accurate indicator of the chronology.
So to answer your question, the due date might change, but in general the orgin date won't.
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bgwiehle
Re: FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin)-Which one keep changing
We use the date that the first draft of the document was created as the original date (which does not change), and apply revision dates for subsequent updates of the document. This agrees with Jim's reply.
Key date is murkier: this past year, because of one of our customers' demands, the key date field has been expanded: where we previous used start of production as our key date, now we must reference DC's PDDC date (product design & development complete) as the key date. This date is fixed for any particular program.
For our non-DC programs, the key date field also includes either next PPAP date or last customer approval date (ie. most recently completed PPAP). Since our PFMEAs apply to families of parts, these dates do change as programs evolve.
B.G. Wiehle
We use the date that the first draft of the document was created as the original date (which does not change), and apply revision dates for subsequent updates of the document. This agrees with Jim's reply.
Key date is murkier: this past year, because of one of our customers' demands, the key date field has been expanded: where we previous used start of production as our key date, now we must reference DC's PDDC date (product design & development complete) as the key date. This date is fixed for any particular program.
For our non-DC programs, the key date field also includes either next PPAP date or last customer approval date (ie. most recently completed PPAP). Since our PFMEAs apply to families of parts, these dates do change as programs evolve.
B.G. Wiehle
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mentor - 2013
Re: FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin)-Which one keep changing
Hello sir, im new with the word DC then, what is DC stands for...
Hello sir, im new with the word DC then, what is DC stands for...
Re: FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin)-Which one keep changing
I think the reference was to DaimlerChrysler.
I think the reference was to DaimlerChrysler.
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jerome_mecphils
Re: FMEA key date and FMEA Date (Origin)-Which one keep changing
in making generic process fmea, does key date could change?if there's no submission of PPAP? or any production run? ...our team decided to review the previous pfmea, and we used to separate a certain failure modes that we'd identify and transfer it to a another form...or we created a new pfmea for a specific failure modes from customerr issues..my question is should i come up with the same key date that from previous PFMEA had? of i should make a new key date for a new pfmea for a customer quality issues?
in making generic process fmea, does key date could change?if there's no submission of PPAP? or any production run? ...our team decided to review the previous pfmea, and we used to separate a certain failure modes that we'd identify and transfer it to a another form...or we created a new pfmea for a specific failure modes from customerr issues..my question is should i come up with the same key date that from previous PFMEA had? of i should make a new key date for a new pfmea for a customer quality issues?