Internal Audit Check List that Parallels the Standard?

[Wallybaloo]

John - Can you be more specific about how you found that handbook. I can be kind of WebDumb. When I went to that site, I couldn't find any path towards the handbook, and search engines took me to a Japanese university with a handbook link that only served up blank PDF pages.

I'd appreciate any specific guidance.

Thanks.

 

[John Martinowich]

Wallybaloo:

Go to Internal-Auditor.com and select "links" in the free area and scroll down to "links archive." You'll find the Internal Quality Audit Handbook about a third of the way down the list.

 

[qualitygoddess - 2010]

Checklist Source

I have a check list for internal audits that was developed by our previous Quality Manager, but it "relates" too closely to our procedures "verbadum". I need to "steal" from someone out there. Does anyone have a check list that parallels the standard that I can have ? It would be very appreciated.
George T.

George:

In order to preserve the copyright laws, I will point you in the direction of a Canadian company that has developed a checklist that has every single clause of the 9001:2000 standard in its gap analysis document. iso-specialists dot com.

I have found it helpful, and the price was right a few years ago.

 

[ddunn]

Attached is the checklist I use.

 

[Marc]

Internal Quality Audit Handbook

Wallybaloo:

Go to Internal-Auditor.com and select "links" in the free area and scroll down to "links archive." You'll find the Internal Quality Audit Handbook about a third of the way down the list.

Hey db - Is this current?

 

[jrubio]

Here I attached other check-list ISO TS 16949:2002 in English and...

Regards.



And I I said in other post.

The Pdf could be conver to Word with the legal program.

solidpdf.com

A trial version is for free and for a long time.

 

[triner]

Re: Seeking an Internal Audit check list that parallels the standard?

A warning about checklists for internal auditing for TS 16949. We just had our 1st surveillance audit last Thursday and Friday, 6/29 and 6/30. During that audit we discussed internal auditing quite extensively. According to our auditor, TS strictly prohibits checklists for internal auditing that our based on the standard. As he explained the logic, summarized below, it made sense to me.

Check lists tends to direct you over the same ground over and over again and inhibits you from truly exploring and uncovering the weaknesses in your system.

Based on my discussion with the auditor, I intend to implement the following generic checklist for our internal auditors (auditing a TS compliant QMS):

1) Ask the process owner to show you their measurments of effectiveness and efficiencies. For any measurments that are deficient, ask the process owner what is their action plan for improvement.

2) Choose a recent example of something that the process "produced" and follow it through the process. If something doesn't seem right, investigate further.

3) The key to this process is to be curious, and dig a little.

The outcome is that the internal auditor learns something new about the process she/he is auditing, and the process owner may discover an area for improvement.

I'd much rather a problem be uncoved in an internal audit then a surveillance audit. That way I have more control over the solution.

 

[jrubio]

Re: Seeking an Internal Audit check list that parallels the standard?

In my opinion the check-list is a tool for beginners, whether not would be enough hard.

And after that to follow the Audit focusing on processes

 

[jrubio]

Re: Seeking an Internal Audit check list that parallels the standard?

Tabu Check List.

I want to be controversial ...

It is curious, many Auditors say do not used the check-lists but they used it or stil using in mind as a part, the AITF released it and know may be is more profitable to delete it to protect some interests

for me this is not a good idea, I understand that we must follow the process, therefore I think that a new tool combining the following of the process and check list must be arisen in order to proof that we audited in align with the TS.

It woud be interesting your ideas regarding that....

 

[Howard Atkins]

Re: Seeking an Internal Audit check list that parallels the standard?

A warning about checklists for internal auditing for TS 16949. We just had our 1st surveillance audit last Thursday and Friday, 6/29 and 6/30. During that audit we discussed internal auditing quite extensively. According to our auditor, TS strictly prohibits checklists for internal auditing that our based on the standard. As he explained the logic, summarized below, it made sense to me.

Check lists tends to direct you over the same ground over and over again and inhibits you from truly exploring and uncovering the weaknesses in your system.

Based on my discussion with the auditor, I intend to implement the following generic checklist for our internal auditors (auditing a TS compliant QMS):

1) Ask the process owner to show you their measurments of effectiveness and efficiencies. For any measurments that are deficient, ask the process owner what is their action plan for improvement.

2) Choose a recent example of something that the process "produced" and follow it through the process. If something doesn't seem right, investigate further.

3) The key to this process is to be curious, and dig a little.

The outcome is that the internal auditor learns something new about the process she/he is auditing, and the process owner may discover an area for improvement.

I'd much rather a problem be uncoved in an internal audit then a surveillance audit. That way I have more control over the solution.

This is what is required in my mind but this requires a lot more training and there are auditors still being taught to take the procedures and make a checklist from them.
The problem is that the standard in the note to 8.2.2.4 says "specific checklists should be used for each audit" Ok a note is only for guidance but I think here instead of "clarifying" it confuses!