That's called Management by Clowns.Let management make a decision to eliminate the objective, they don't even have to justify it...."Nope, we ain't gonna do that this year." is all they have to say
Jim
So in this case, a CA is needed and be sent a requirement to top management?
Thanks
That's called Management by Clowns.
What happened to all the things that should have been determined in 6.2.2 a) through e)? A quality objective still has to follow the PDCA cycle. Assuming the objective was relevant and the organization is serious, one must determine WHY we haven't reached it.
If you just allow management to take the easy way out and simply "forget that" you are supporting the lack of accountability by upper management.
That's called Management by Clowns.
What happened to all the things that should have been determined in 6.2.2 a) through e)? A quality objective still has to follow the PDCA cycle. Assuming the objective was relevant and the organization is serious, one must determine WHY we haven't reached it.
If you just allow management to take the easy way out and simply "forget that" you are supporting the lack of accountability by upper management.
In my copy of ISO 9001:2015, I don't see a bullet f) under 6.2.2. But when I read 6.2.2 it has the PDC of PDCA. And, of course, there is a shall. Let me help you seeing it:Now with that said, how do you get the PDCA cycle as a requirement for quality objectives? Sure, it could be a tool to help you accomplish 6.2.2a-f, but it isn't there. It isn't a shall or set of shall anywhere. Don't overreach and make a requirement that doesn't exist. Just don't.
6.2.2 When planning how to achieve its quality objectives, the organization SHALL determine:
Management will do what management always does, but SERIOUS management, one that is also committed to Quality should take the aspect of selecting quality objectives seriously and follow through.What's happened to management just saying we need to do something more important, something else of value, or less adversarial?
In my copy of ISO 9001:2015, I don't see a bullet f) under 6.2.2. But when I read 6.2.2 it has the PDC of PDCA. And, of course, there is a shall. Let me help you seeing it:
Management will do what management always does, but SERIOUS management, one that is also committed to Quality should take the aspect of selecting quality objectives seriously and follow through.
Your previously post implied the scenario where, after not reaching a pre-determined objective, management could simply say: "We didn't get it. Let's drop it". That is NOT what should happen. If the objective was well thought out to start with, if it was relevant, the organization should react adequately to it's lack of success and not simply shrugging their shoulders and saying: "forget that one, let's do something easier".