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Every time that I must tweak my QMS manual for a new revision of ISO9001, I agree a little more with He Who Shall Not Be Named that this certification business is a huge scam. Right now, there are hundreds of CB auditors (not the good ones) that have a list of "gotchas" where the most common mistakes will be made. Here's my list:
4.1 Understanding the organization and its context
Just wow. Really? Fortunately for the vague and ambiguous language here, my company already knows how to do this. We have four full day meetings per year with Executive Management and the folks that physically execute the elements required to achieve our strategic plan. Two meetings the Executives tell us the results of their analysis (i.e., The Strategic Plan). Two alternating meetings we tell the Executives what we shall do to make the plan possible and the ongoing results of those activities. We call these Strategic Alignment Meetings (SAM).
5.1.1d) promoting the use of the process approach and risk-based thinking
6.1.2
6.2.2 Fortunately, the previous version of ISO14001 already had this gem so
Once again, ISO14001 is ahead on this one.
Then TC176 ran out of gas and shuffled around and reworded the Product Realization and Measurement, Analysis and Improvement sections of ISO9001:2008. So, any of you RAB certified auditors working for CB's want to sharethe gotcha list they gave you what they taught you for the 2015 upgrade?
4.1 Understanding the organization and its context
Just wow. Really? Fortunately for the vague and ambiguous language here, my company already knows how to do this. We have four full day meetings per year with Executive Management and the folks that physically execute the elements required to achieve our strategic plan. Two meetings the Executives tell us the results of their analysis (i.e., The Strategic Plan). Two alternating meetings we tell the Executives what we shall do to make the plan possible and the ongoing results of those activities. We call these Strategic Alignment Meetings (SAM).
Need some vague and ambiguous verbiage in the QA Manual about this.
- Need a to document a list of interested parties (e.g. stakeholders, customers, UL, CSA, etc.) in Management Review
- Need to point at documentation in the Product Development Control Process (PDCP) where requirements are determined
- Need to point at list of customers that require ISO certification
5.1.1d) promoting the use of the process approach and risk-based thinking
- Need to coach Executives on specific Management Review Items where we have made risk/reward decisions
- Need to point to the process diagrams on every team metric board
6.1.2
- Need to point at the above mentioned PDCP and SAM
6.2.2 Fortunately, the previous version of ISO14001 already had this gem so
- Need to copy the ISO14001 ENVIRONMENTAL objectives list in Management Review of what will be done, what resources will be required, who will be responsible, when it will be completed and how the results will be evaluated and translate for my QUALITY objectives
Once again, ISO14001 is ahead on this one.
- Need to document relevant internal and external communications about the QMS: what will it communicate, when, with whom, how and who will do it
Then TC176 ran out of gas and shuffled around and reworded the Product Realization and Measurement, Analysis and Improvement sections of ISO9001:2008. So, any of you RAB certified auditors working for CB's want to share