GM sqr- second party audits

[John C. Abnet]

Good day Elsmar family.
In addition to the silliness that @Sebastian pointed out above back in 2017, here...Second Party Audit - GM IATF 16949 CSR September 2017

...the GM CSR also states...

8.4.2.4.1 Second-party audits
Second-party auditors performing QMS audits must meet the requirements in clause 7.2.4 Second-Party Auditor Compliance in IATF 16949:2016 plus meet these additional requirements:
1. The organization must be IATF 16949:2016 certified and not on suspension.

My question is, who is The organization as defined in the CSR above? The organization from which the second party auditor is based?...or , the organization being audited?

What say all of you?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

My question is, who is The organization as defined in the CSR above?

The GM direct supplier. The document contains a definition:

Organization
Organizations are defined as providers of: a) production materials, b) production, service, and accessory parts, or c) heat treating, plating, painting or other finishing services, directly to General Motors or other customers subscribing to this document. NOTE: See IATF 16949:2016, Section 3, Terms and definitions

 

[John C. Abnet]

The GM direct supplier. The document contains a definition:

Organization
Organizations are defined as providers of: a) production materials, b) production, service, and accessory parts, or c) heat treating, plating, painting or other finishing services, directly to General Motors or other customers subscribing to this document. NOTE: See IATF 16949:2016, Section 3, Terms and definitions

Understood @Sidney Vianna . Thank you.
I was being a bit facetious as it seems a bit of an obvious/moot point since GM would not be asking a NON-iatf certified first tier provider to audit its suppliers since a NON-iatf certified organization would not be involved as a GM component provider.

I'm simply trying to make sense of what seems to be a somewhat silly line item statement. Any thoughts?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Understood @Sidney Vianna . Thank you.
I was being a bit facetious as it seems a bit of an obvious/moot point since GM would not be asking a NON-iatf certified first tier provider to audit its suppliers since a NON-iatf certified organization would not be involved as a GM component provider.

I'm simply trying to make sense of what seems to be a somewhat silly line item statement. Any thoughts?

I think it is quite possible that GM has a number of non-certified suppliers, especially the ones involved with the disrupting Electric Vehicle technology.

 

[John C. Abnet]

I think it is quite possible that GM has a number of non-certified suppliers, especially the ones involved with the disrupting Electric Vehicle technology.

Ha! Good consideration Sidney. Thanks....

Be well.