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T.P.NAMASIVAYAM
Hi,
Can anyone tell what does the term "Normative reference" in ISO 9001 2000 Means?
Can anyone tell what does the term "Normative reference" in ISO 9001 2000 Means?
All this is saying is that ISO 9000:2000 is a reference document but necessary to the standard. Think of ISO 9000 as you did the old 'definitions' document. It is, in a way, a link. One may say it is a foundation. The title of ISO 9000 is: QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS - FUNDAMENTALS nad VOCABULARY
NORMATIVE:
Definition 1. of, pertaining to, or prescribing a law, standard, or norm, esp. with regard to correctness in speaking, writing, or behavior.
Crossref. Syn. * standard
REFERENCE:
*Definition 1. the act or process of referring.
* *Synonyms * referral (1)
* *Crossref. Syn. * relation
* *Definition 2. an allusion.
* *Synonyms * mention (1) , allusion
* *Definition 3. a source of information.
* *Example * She is a good reference on computer matters ; We go to the library to look up references.
Bottom line is you should be looking at ISO 9000, ISO 9001 and ISO 9004 as a group.
The reality is most companies buy and consider ISO 9001 and that's it. Few buy and read ISO 9000 and ISO 9004 as well which I personally believe is a very bad business practice.
NORMATIVE:
Definition 1. of, pertaining to, or prescribing a law, standard, or norm, esp. with regard to correctness in speaking, writing, or behavior.
Crossref. Syn. * standard
REFERENCE:
*Definition 1. the act or process of referring.
* *Synonyms * referral (1)
* *Crossref. Syn. * relation
* *Definition 2. an allusion.
* *Synonyms * mention (1) , allusion
* *Definition 3. a source of information.
* *Example * She is a good reference on computer matters ; We go to the library to look up references.
Bottom line is you should be looking at ISO 9000, ISO 9001 and ISO 9004 as a group.
The reality is most companies buy and consider ISO 9001 and that's it. Few buy and read ISO 9000 and ISO 9004 as well which I personally believe is a very bad business practice.
As it was explained to me (by our registrar) during transition training - The normative reference ISO 9000:2000 (fundamentals/vocabulary) must be used in conjunction with the standard itself - meaning the terminology specified is NOT open for interpretive discussion.
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Watchwait
Re: What does the term "Normative reference" in ISO 9001 2000 mean?
I too found myself wondering about the specific meaning of "normative reference" so I came across this info:
Section 6.2.2 of Part 2 of the ISO/IEC Directives
6.2.2 Normative references
This optional element shall give a list of the referenced documents cited (see 6.6.7.5) in the document in such a "way as to make them indispensable for the application of the document...."
Based on this (as well as the prior comment from an NB), I see compliance with normative references as, in effect, mandatory, e.g., "indispensable for the application of the document".
My main concern here was the relationship between IEC 60601-1 2nd Ed. & IEC 60601-1-6 1st. Ed. Just today, I received this information from a current member of TC62 in Sweden:
"The IEC 60601-1-6 ed. 1 shall be used with IEC 60601-1 ed. 2. However, it is not stated that it is normative to use, as is the case with IEC 60601-1 ed. 3 a with IEC 60601-1-6 ed. 2."
A bit hard to follow - but I think I get the drift as well as a better understanding of the "normative reference" terminology.
I too found myself wondering about the specific meaning of "normative reference" so I came across this info:
Section 6.2.2 of Part 2 of the ISO/IEC Directives
6.2.2 Normative references
This optional element shall give a list of the referenced documents cited (see 6.6.7.5) in the document in such a "way as to make them indispensable for the application of the document...."
Based on this (as well as the prior comment from an NB), I see compliance with normative references as, in effect, mandatory, e.g., "indispensable for the application of the document".
My main concern here was the relationship between IEC 60601-1 2nd Ed. & IEC 60601-1-6 1st. Ed. Just today, I received this information from a current member of TC62 in Sweden:
"The IEC 60601-1-6 ed. 1 shall be used with IEC 60601-1 ed. 2. However, it is not stated that it is normative to use, as is the case with IEC 60601-1 ed. 3 a with IEC 60601-1-6 ed. 2."
A bit hard to follow - but I think I get the drift as well as a better understanding of the "normative reference" terminology.
A document to which reference is made in the standard in such a way as to make it indispensable for the application of the standard.
Also see: Normative Reference Definition
Also see: Normative Reference Definition
