Hi, is it acceptable to buy components made by a manufacturer that has no ISO-9001 Certification by not purchasing directly from the manufacturer and instead purchasing through a distributor who is ISO 9001 certified? The components are used in the manufacture of OEM automotive products in the scope of our IATF 16949 registration.
Use of non-ISO 9001 Supplier - Purchasing through a distributor
- Thread starter Dan M
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As in raw material? The mill/producer isn't ISO certified?
So the dirty little secret is when you use a "distributor" that is the "supplier." So technically they would need to fall under your supplier development requirements, i.e.; ISO to IATF. Nobody looks at the actual manufacturer. Seems silly to me. So you should be ok from an audit standpoint. Better question is what do you need to make sure you're getting good manufactured product?
The even dirtier little secret is that...it's up to the customer...in all respects.
I am no longer ISO or IATF (never was IATF)...I sell to both Tier1 and Tier2 as well as aerospace and medical...and all of my customers know, I don't have any secrets from them.
I refuse all on site audits.
Exceptions can always be had if there is a good enough business reason to make one...so I just give them the good business reason instead...
You, or your customer, can write up a justification for using a non-ISO supplier in a few minutes...and off you go.
This would, of course, be a risk (to an auditor's eyes) and should be recognized in your system as such. To my eyes, it is no more risk than using an ISO or IATF certified supplier anyway...suppliers are either good or bad.
I am no longer ISO or IATF (never was IATF)...I sell to both Tier1 and Tier2 as well as aerospace and medical...and all of my customers know, I don't have any secrets from them.
I refuse all on site audits.
Exceptions can always be had if there is a good enough business reason to make one...so I just give them the good business reason instead...
You, or your customer, can write up a justification for using a non-ISO supplier in a few minutes...and off you go.
This would, of course, be a risk (to an auditor's eyes) and should be recognized in your system as such. To my eyes, it is no more risk than using an ISO or IATF certified supplier anyway...suppliers are either good or bad.
ISO 9000 says provider - supplier organization that provides a product or a service and examples are producer, distributor, retailer or vendor of a product or a service. That's ISO.
I know, that some suppliers still refuse to certify themselves and see profit in hiding own non-certified "management system" under certified system of own distributors, but IATF 16949 standard give us emergency exit - customer's waiver for contacting non-ISO certified supplier, but under condition, we will perform second-party audits.. Focus is on suppliers falling under 8.4.1 a), b) or c), not a toilet refreshers.
Additionally there is one old (requirement was already in ISO/TS 16949) concern with 8.6.4 c) where audit of distributor's site is pure nonsense, as there is no value added process in place assuring provided product conformance to requirements. So it precludes receiving inspection based on "good quality" certificates only manufacturer is authorised to issue.
I know, that some suppliers still refuse to certify themselves and see profit in hiding own non-certified "management system" under certified system of own distributors, but IATF 16949 standard give us emergency exit - customer's waiver for contacting non-ISO certified supplier, but under condition, we will perform second-party audits.. Focus is on suppliers falling under 8.4.1 a), b) or c), not a toilet refreshers.
Additionally there is one old (requirement was already in ISO/TS 16949) concern with 8.6.4 c) where audit of distributor's site is pure nonsense, as there is no value added process in place assuring provided product conformance to requirements. So it precludes receiving inspection based on "good quality" certificates only manufacturer is authorised to issue.
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