QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to Do?

How many pages is your QMS Manual?

  • 1 to 5 Pages

    Votes: 6 3.4%
  • 6 to 10 Pages

    Votes: 11 6.3%
  • 11 to 15 Pages

    Votes: 17 9.8%
  • 16 to 20 Pages

    Votes: 21 12.1%
  • 21 to 25 Pages

    Votes: 23 13.2%
  • 25 to 30 Pages

    Votes: 15 8.6%
  • 31 to 35 Pages

    Votes: 16 9.2%
  • 36 to 40 Pages

    Votes: 16 9.2%
  • 41 to 45 Pages

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • 46 to 50 Pages

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • 51 to 60 Pages

    Votes: 20 11.5%
  • Resembles Juran's Handbook

    Votes: 7 4.0%
  • We have no manual per se

    Votes: 4 2.3%

  • Total voters
    174
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jimwaa

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tony s,

Close, but I'm looking for the Appendex 10: Core Procedures that should be attahed to this manual. I'd like to look at the procedures that support this manual.

Thanks,

jimwaa
 
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keema

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Hi everyone! Good day to all.. Can anyone post a QMS for an environmental consultancy.. I will just need of a format so that I can give it to my boss..thanks..:)
 
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Stijloor

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hi everyone! Good day to all..can anyone post a QMS for an environmental consultancy..i will just need of a format so that i can give it to my boss..thanks..:)

Look at this post + links from our host Marc.

Forum courtesy says not the post the same question twice....:yes:

Stijloor.
 
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keema

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ooops sorry for that...:)
just one question..is the QMS manual and quality system procedures are the same?
 
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Peter West

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Good question. People have different opinions on what works so it is really down to your preference. We have a Quality manual that is effectively the intro (policy, scope, company structure) and then just operating procedures one after the other. I am writing the new Enviro Manual and feel that this is not the best way to go so I have separated it out into a Manual, which is in turn supported by procedures as necessary. I use the Manual as more of an overview, with the procedures delving into more detail.

This is just me. For every one person who does it like this there will be a number of others who preferred some other way.

My advice to you would be look at your existing operational system, and then see what parts of it fit into the 9001 Standard (examples of document control for instance). That way what you produce will be aimed completely at your operations and be a hell of a lot more useful. Then it also saves on you "recreating the wheel" to satisfy the Standard, and any holes in your system will be identified too.
 
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Tom W

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:2cents:

I have recently rewritten our Quality Manual. It has gone from 52 pages to 8. I figured since it started with QS and now for the last 6 years has been TS we might as well reduce it down. Afterall most of the things in the 52 page version were repeated to more detail in the procedure manual. Haven't released it yet but am about too.

We just explain a few of the management responsibilties for our top management then reference to the procedures we have for all of the other requirements.
 
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Daniele Italy

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I have found this QMS manual in internet andI think it should be a good strating point for a lean manual... with some additional points of course.
 

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ashwaniraina82

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i have created a quality manual for our company which is 40 pages. It simply covers every element with a paragragh or so, except for management responsibility is covered in the manual instead of a procedure.
My superiors feel the manual should only be 3 or 4 pages long. Most of this reasoning is from different companies who have claimed to be certified.
Am i wrong in assuming a 3 or 4 page manual would not be adequate, and what exactly would be accurate?
Thanks, dawn



dear frind,,
you can make quality manual in single page also.

I will be sending you one same.


With regrads

ashwani raina
 
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Pennington

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I don't know what people think a quality manual is or why its size is the primary measure of its effectiveness.

The quality manual is a label given to a document that describes an organization's quality management system
It's called a manual because it is intended to be used to help people understand the way an organization defines and achieves its quality policies and objectives and thereby enable them to work in a way that is consistent with those policies and objectives.

Whether this takes 1 page or 5000 pages is irrelevant. The measure of its effectiveness is whether it aids understanding. If it does not reflect the way current processes function and interact and convey this clearly , consistently, completely, unambiguously and concisely, it is not effective. We could identify other factors but these will do to illustrte the point.

Whether or not an organization has a quality manual, it has a system of processes that do or don't enable it to achieve its objectives. Systems and processes do not have to be documented to function. The reason for documenting them is so that we can better understand them, communicate them, evaluate them and improve them. But documentation is only necessary where its absence will adversely affect the ability of people to achieve the objectives in a way that satisfies the constraints.

Now if the question serves to find the best way of documenting systems and processes, this might be a more fruitful endeavour.

If you are worried about what the boss wants, ask him what he thinks a quality manual is and what it is used for. Maybe he only thinks it exists for the external auditors. Maybe he does not see it as conveying understand on how his organization functions. Although not improbable, it would be unsual if your boss did not want his staff to have a common understanding of how the organization functions. When faced with such problems I apply a lesson I learnt from Dr Juran years ago. Discover the reality under the labels, the actions and deeds the other person is talking about. Once these are understood, communication can proceed whether or not there is agreement on the meaning of words like quality manual.
 
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