Hi everyone,
I'm completely confused on this one. I've been thinking about this for a long time (a year or two) with no clear answer.
Our company designs medical switch-mode power supplies. Everything we build is fundamentally Class II (reinforced/double insulated) construction. The transformers, creepage/clearance, etc. all are met with just two AC input conductors, no earth needed. These days, true Class I switch-mode power supplies are becoming increasingly more rare with widespread use of triple insulated wire (TIW).
There was essentially the same question raised here: Separation requirement for Class II equipment with functional earth
..but with no clear resolution (for me).
In our case, the earth connection to the power supply is made via the 3rd pin of an IEC inlet. The standard seems to imply that when using the AC power supply cord to supply earth to the system, that the earth connection cannot be made to an accessible part, and that a connection to an AP somehow invalidates the FE designation. For instance, if we insert a ferrite core in the earth lead (internal the power supply) to improve EMI, the wire may fail during a 40A current test since there's a lot of wrapped around the ferrite core, causing greater temperature rise than just a length of wire alone.
In this case, it seems logical to designate the power supply as Class II with FE. And from my view, the 40A earth bond test does not even make sense for a Class II power supply in the first place. After all, it doesn't need this earth conductor to provide two means of protection.The power supply is fundamentally class II construction, and according to Subclause 8.6.9, "The allowance does not degrade the degree of protection against electric shock"
1. How do you explain the below lines that say a FE connection made by power supply cord cannot be connected to AP (i.e. the power supply output)?
2. How do you explain the lines on functional earthing of "internal screens"? These lines seems to imply that if the functional earth (FE) is not separated by at least two means of protection (from an AP) that it becomes a protective earth (PE)...how?
3. If you earth the output common of a (fundamentally) Class II ME power adapter, it Class I or Class II?There are many instances that a Class II power adapter can be incidentally become earthed. I don't see why it would need to meet Class I earth bond requirements when it fundamentally does not need to reply on earth for means of protection.
Thanks very much. I hope someone can give some feedback. I'm going crazy!
Tim
I'm completely confused on this one. I've been thinking about this for a long time (a year or two) with no clear answer.
Our company designs medical switch-mode power supplies. Everything we build is fundamentally Class II (reinforced/double insulated) construction. The transformers, creepage/clearance, etc. all are met with just two AC input conductors, no earth needed. These days, true Class I switch-mode power supplies are becoming increasingly more rare with widespread use of triple insulated wire (TIW).
There was essentially the same question raised here: Separation requirement for Class II equipment with functional earth
..but with no clear resolution (for me).
In our case, the earth connection to the power supply is made via the 3rd pin of an IEC inlet. The standard seems to imply that when using the AC power supply cord to supply earth to the system, that the earth connection cannot be made to an accessible part, and that a connection to an AP somehow invalidates the FE designation. For instance, if we insert a ferrite core in the earth lead (internal the power supply) to improve EMI, the wire may fail during a 40A current test since there's a lot of wrapped around the ferrite core, causing greater temperature rise than just a length of wire alone.
In this case, it seems logical to designate the power supply as Class II with FE. And from my view, the 40A earth bond test does not even make sense for a Class II power supply in the first place. After all, it doesn't need this earth conductor to provide two means of protection.The power supply is fundamentally class II construction, and according to Subclause 8.6.9, "The allowance does not degrade the degree of protection against electric shock"
1. How do you explain the below lines that say a FE connection made by power supply cord cannot be connected to AP (i.e. the power supply output)?
Subclause 3.35 – FUNCTIONAL EARTH TERMINAL
In ME EQUIPMENT, functional earth connections can be made by means of a FUNCTIONAL EARTH TERMINAL that is accessible to the OPERATOR. Alternatively this standard also allows a functional earth connection for CLASS II ME EQUIPMENT via a green and yellow conductor in a POWER SUPPLY CORD. In this case the parts to which this conductor is connected cannot be ACCESSIBLE PARTS (see 8.6.9), and have to be insulated from ACCESSIBLE PARTS.
2. How do you explain the lines on functional earthing of "internal screens"? These lines seems to imply that if the functional earth (FE) is not separated by at least two means of protection (from an AP) that it becomes a protective earth (PE)...how?
The current flowing through the FUNCTIONAL EARTH CONDUCTOR has to be limited in the same way as current in the PROTECTIVE EARTH CONDUCTOR. To prevent the FUNCTIONAL EARTH CONDUCTOR from becoming a PROTECTIVE EARTH CONDUCTOR, the insulation between internal screens including internal wiring connected to them and ACCESSIBLE PARTS needs to provide two MEANS OF PROTECTION.
3. If you earth the output common of a (fundamentally) Class II ME power adapter, it Class I or Class II?There are many instances that a Class II power adapter can be incidentally become earthed. I don't see why it would need to meet Class I earth bond requirements when it fundamentally does not need to reply on earth for means of protection.
Thanks very much. I hope someone can give some feedback. I'm going crazy!
Tim
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