hello, new to this forum but have been doing FMEAs for some time. Recently (1 year) working with Apis IQ-RM PRO. very handy and beats excel by a long shot once you get used to it.
background: per the AIAG/VDA book foundation and family FMEAs are allowed. Foundation FMEAs I agree with as it is the basis for building new FMEAs from and am working on building a version of one. Family FMEAs are more specific FMEAs that cover a group of FMEAs that are similar in fit, form, function and for the most part only vary by size (other posts on here on this already). we currently use neither. we are a very large corporation and it appears there is very limited use at the corporate level so little to no help internally even amoungst our "FMEA experts" so I'm looking for some outside help.
My concerns.
our plant manufacturing areas (process engineering) are pushing for family FMEAs. Due to: 1, no one has time and/or 2, they are lazy and/or 3, dislike FMEAs. My concern is they will use the Family FMEA as a "RUBBER STAMP" for all products from now on and will not review new projects, or revisions to current products to the generic Family FMEA(s). (No its not my job as the FMEA moderator to police that but no way I would not get dragged into 8D/5 why issue resolutions if an issue arises). We mold and assemble automotive parts. molding could in theory be broken down into 2/3 family FMEAs without alot of difficulty. our assembly side has at least 10 variations that could be combined in any combinaton as well as for about 6 different automotive OE customers (different rating tables and F's, F/C, G/C ect ect ) making that much more complicated. if fact even within one specific customer they have different special characteristic classifications depending on the export market.
now my question:
1, those of you that use family FMEAs, how do you manage documenting which parts go with a specific FMEA? Generic Family FMEA with a new cover sheet for each product? or I've seen a proposal to use a spread sheet that lists all products that go with an FMEA but not sure if that would be audit proof. especially if there is no control over that spread sheet document (seems too loose to me). or update the FMEA cover sheet by adding each new to it?
2, unused components. in other words since we have about 10 variations, many of which are adding/subtracting components, is it an issue to have components/processes listed in the PFMEA that are not on the specific product that the family FMEA is being applied to? would an auditor or customer Supplier quality engineer protest such things? (certainly could if a component was missing)
Thank you
background: per the AIAG/VDA book foundation and family FMEAs are allowed. Foundation FMEAs I agree with as it is the basis for building new FMEAs from and am working on building a version of one. Family FMEAs are more specific FMEAs that cover a group of FMEAs that are similar in fit, form, function and for the most part only vary by size (other posts on here on this already). we currently use neither. we are a very large corporation and it appears there is very limited use at the corporate level so little to no help internally even amoungst our "FMEA experts" so I'm looking for some outside help.
My concerns.
our plant manufacturing areas (process engineering) are pushing for family FMEAs. Due to: 1, no one has time and/or 2, they are lazy and/or 3, dislike FMEAs. My concern is they will use the Family FMEA as a "RUBBER STAMP" for all products from now on and will not review new projects, or revisions to current products to the generic Family FMEA(s). (No its not my job as the FMEA moderator to police that but no way I would not get dragged into 8D/5 why issue resolutions if an issue arises). We mold and assemble automotive parts. molding could in theory be broken down into 2/3 family FMEAs without alot of difficulty. our assembly side has at least 10 variations that could be combined in any combinaton as well as for about 6 different automotive OE customers (different rating tables and F's, F/C, G/C ect ect ) making that much more complicated. if fact even within one specific customer they have different special characteristic classifications depending on the export market.
now my question:
1, those of you that use family FMEAs, how do you manage documenting which parts go with a specific FMEA? Generic Family FMEA with a new cover sheet for each product? or I've seen a proposal to use a spread sheet that lists all products that go with an FMEA but not sure if that would be audit proof. especially if there is no control over that spread sheet document (seems too loose to me). or update the FMEA cover sheet by adding each new to it?
2, unused components. in other words since we have about 10 variations, many of which are adding/subtracting components, is it an issue to have components/processes listed in the PFMEA that are not on the specific product that the family FMEA is being applied to? would an auditor or customer Supplier quality engineer protest such things? (certainly could if a component was missing)
Thank you