Yeah, I was thinking something very similar. I think they want the matrix so that they don't need to actually read the manual. 
Ah, Dirk, you're asking exactly what I asked our EMS Rep when he informed me of the rejection. The timeliness has ceased to be a concern of mine, though, as this does appear to be their standard pace. My eyebrow is raised over how a competent auditor can accept it but the registrar does not. And as the auditor is our auditor for ISO 9001, I'm worried what this means towards that registration.
Brian,
you for your kind words. You've aptly described my own professional development. I once thought the world revolved around Quality Management Systems....but after being exposed to EMS and H&S and most recently Financial, I see so many overlaps that it just makes good business sense to streamline our processes and reduce redundancies. I have no issue with separate standards/guidelines, but I see no logical reason for my company to keep them separate.
I'm all set to go....release the hounds!
Al and Sidney....
for making me laugh! Granted, Al, "crap" wasn't exactly the word I used.
bmccabe, please explain what you mean by your statement that it's out of the depth for practictioners? I will admit that I had exit the Cove to cool off after reading your first post. I hardly expect a monument to be erected in my honour...the occasional sacrificial ritual, however, will be appreciated.
If you do not understand the concept of a Business Management System and the integration of requirements and processes, you could have simply asked for clarification. Your first post would have been much more appreciated and positive.
An integrated BMS hardly "tells" the boss what to do. Any Management System be it Quality, Environment, H&S, Financial, or Business should merely state what is already done. It's what the company already is doing. The only thing it "tells" the reader is where to find more information like specifics and details on tasks and responsibilities. Consider the manual like a library index system...it won't tell you all about Ancient Babylon, for example, but it will point you in the right direction to get more information.
And integrating all of these requirements allows us to identify the commonalties and make better use of our resources...efficiency and effectivess....improvement. After all, my company doesn't want to merely be a survivor...we want to be an industry leader.
Ah, Dirk, you're asking exactly what I asked our EMS Rep when he informed me of the rejection. The timeliness has ceased to be a concern of mine, though, as this does appear to be their standard pace. My eyebrow is raised over how a competent auditor can accept it but the registrar does not. And as the auditor is our auditor for ISO 9001, I'm worried what this means towards that registration.
Brian,
you for your kind words. You've aptly described my own professional development. I once thought the world revolved around Quality Management Systems....but after being exposed to EMS and H&S and most recently Financial, I see so many overlaps that it just makes good business sense to streamline our processes and reduce redundancies. I have no issue with separate standards/guidelines, but I see no logical reason for my company to keep them separate. I'm all set to go....release the hounds!Al and Sidney....
for making me laugh! Granted, Al, "crap" wasn't exactly the word I used. bmccabe, please explain what you mean by your statement that it's out of the depth for practictioners? I will admit that I had exit the Cove to cool off after reading your first post. I hardly expect a monument to be erected in my honour...the occasional sacrificial ritual, however, will be appreciated.
If you do not understand the concept of a Business Management System and the integration of requirements and processes, you could have simply asked for clarification. Your first post would have been much more appreciated and positive.
An integrated BMS hardly "tells" the boss what to do. Any Management System be it Quality, Environment, H&S, Financial, or Business should merely state what is already done. It's what the company already is doing. The only thing it "tells" the reader is where to find more information like specifics and details on tasks and responsibilities. Consider the manual like a library index system...it won't tell you all about Ancient Babylon, for example, but it will point you in the right direction to get more information.
And integrating all of these requirements allows us to identify the commonalties and make better use of our resources...efficiency and effectivess....improvement.
After all, my company doesn't want to merely be a survivor...we want to be an industry leader.
on this one.
Please don't say it was one of my co-worker's:mg: who came up with this bogus pile of dookey.
Better get back to the grindstone as my Logistics duties have me loading another ship tomorrow...be gone for another week or so (it looks like it will be over Christmas)
