Why American Companies in the Automobile Arena are Losing Money?

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3. Lack of common platforms/engines. I had a Toyota Celica with a 22R engine.


A little off topic, but not by much:

My 1979 Toyota pickup has a 22R, with almost 200,000 miles on everything except tires, brakes, water pump, and other consumables. I used it to haul stuff yesterday, and it still runs like a top.

There's a good chance my next daily driver will be a Toyota.
 
I was wrong for the wage of USD60K plus.

I just read this from Detroit Free Press, 5,000 people in jobbank costs GM 500 million a year, average USD 100K/person.

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AUTO NEWS
PROGRESS ON TURNAROUND: Wagoner: GM is close to draining jobs bank
August 19, 2006
BY JOE GUY COLLIER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER


In Royal Oak on Friday on the eve of the Woodward Dream Cruise, GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner was upbeat about GM's progress. The Chevy Camaro concept car will become a production model in early 2009. (KIMBERLY P. MITCHELL/Detroit Free Press)

General Motors Corp. Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner said Friday the company should deplete most of its jobs bank employees by the end of the year. The jobs bank contains workers who are not needed for production but continue to receive almost full pay under the UAW contract.Wagoner would not say directly that the jobs bank needs to be eliminated in 2007 contract negotiations with the UAW. But he did say that it hampers GM's bottom line.

The company does not publicly disclose figures on the jobs bank, but industry analysts have estimated about 5,000 GM workers are in the bank at a cost of $500 million a year."It's an area where the way it's structured it does lead to uncompetitiveness," Wagoner said. "We'd like to find ways to reduce that competitive disadvantage. I would say simply there's more than one way to skin that cat."

Speaking at a news event in Royal Oak on the eve of the Woodward Dream Cruise, Wagoner was upbeat about progress on GM's turnaround plan. With a set of police escorts around him, Wagoner drove along Woodward Avenue to Athens Coney Island in a silver Chevy Camaro concept car, which will become a production model in early 2009.

The depletion of the jobs bank would be good news for GM because it would indicate its hourly workforce more closely matches what it needs to make the cars and trucks demanded by the market. It would not have to pay for plant workers who are not needed for building cars and trucks.
Aside from a couple of sites, the jobs bank is being exhausted rapidly, Wagoner said.
The effort is being helped as the 35,000-employee attrition program takes hold. About 18,000 hourly employees already have left as part of the buyout program, Wagoner said.
The rest will be leaving at a "reasonably steady" pace and a large chunk will leave at the end of the year, he said.
Sales are stabilizing and the company is being rejuvenated with new models on the way, such as the Camaro, Wagoner said.
"It kind of adds an exclamation point to our commitment to make great cars and trucks," Wagoner said about the Camaro.
Wagoner declined to speculate on the impact of Ford's production cuts, also announced Friday. The U.S. auto industry continues to be pressured by high gas prices, which are shifting consumer demand, he said.

"We're staying focused on what we need to do at GM," Wagoner said. "As far as Ford's actions, I think they speak for themselves."
He also would not provide details about GM's talks with Nissan Motor Co. and Renault SA about a possible alliance, other than to say that he gets regular reports on the talks.

"This is still fairly early into the process," Wagoner said.
Delphi Corp., a spin-off from GM and its biggest supplier, does appear to be making progress working its way through bankruptcy proceedings, he said.
"It's a big deal," Wagoner said. "These are big, tough issues. Even smaller bankruptcies take longer."

Contact JOE GUY COLLIER at 313-222-6512 or jcollier@freepress.com"
 
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A little off topic, but not by much:

My 1979 Toyota pickup has a 22R, with almost 200,000 miles on everything except tires, brakes, water pump, and other consumables. I used it to haul stuff yesterday, and it still runs like a top.

There's a good chance my next daily driver will be a Toyota.

My 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 just turned 198,000. Ford was kind enough to buy me new tires at 87,000:notme:. The only thing I had to replace was an alternator along with the usual service items.

Will my next vehicle be another new Ranger? Highly unlikely since the Ranger plant is scheduled to be closed and they have not made a decision on it's future :(

Will my next vehicle be foreign? :lmao: :lmao:
 
I agree that unions have had an adversarial relationship with management, but in my view it takes two to make this kind of dysfunctional affair.

I'd like to humbly suggest that $60K isn't as big a wad of money as people seem to think. Factor in any manner of things gone wrong and the money gets sucked right down the drain. In a family of four there's a lot that can go wrong.

In the company I work at, which makes precision plastic molded parts, $60k a year is middle management pay, not end of assembly product moving. It can't even be claimed that driving finished cars from the assembly line to the parking lot is a "skilled trade"...all you need is a driver's license.
 
In the company I work at, which makes precision plastic molded parts, $60k a year is middle management pay, not end of assembly product moving. It can't even be claimed that driving finished cars from the assembly line to the parking lot is a "skilled trade"...all you need is a driver's license.
and Union Numbership card. :agree:
 
Why american companies in the Automobile arena are losing Money when they are the best sellers?.

The number shows:

RANK NAME
COUNTRY
INDUSTRY
SALES ($BIL)
PROFITS ($BIL)
ASSETS ($BIL)
MARKET VALUE ($BIL)

526 General Motors United States Consumer durables 192.60 -10.60 475.28 11.49

1061 Delphi United States Consumer durables 27.20 -6.37 17.21 0.18

1346 Visteon United States Consumer durables 16.98 -0.27 6.74 0.60

Except Ford.

See the link (Ranking)

Ranking Forbes Automobile industries. The World's Biggest Public Companies

OK, so what's your point? How are we doing next to all of the Spanish carmakers?
 
For several reasons, in order to understand why we need to analyze other car builder that is making money.
Do you guess who? If you think I will say Toyota that will be my second choice.
I was thinking Ferrari that is doing some logical things, to make a profit:
- Satisfy your selected market, and in this case is very narrow.
- Carry minimum inventory or no inventory, cars are ordered in advance.
- Built only the cars that on order. No overstock.
- Have specialist in every step of your factory improving the process
- Compete to make the best car
- Keep your fundamental values. This a sport car, and top of the line

If American companies don't do this like on the 1960's they use to do some of the above things they are going to continue losing money.
I love that muscle car like the New G40 from Ford, very nice muscle car, an improved copy of the old G40
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Why are Japanese auto companies doing so well? Why are Korean auto companies doing so well?

I would add that Tier 3 manufacturing is an uninspired mess, broken, and most of these small businesses are supplying garbage.

Deming and Sam Walton shared a concern about health care costs in their books of the late 80's, both stating that health care is a looming crisis for US manufacturing, and both stating that the reasons and solutions for this were out of the scope of their books.

I don't know how automakers are losing big money, but I bet it's because we suck at making automobiles in America. I would also bet that all the habits and paths that have led us to these crises are catching up with us. I suspect there is no way to reverse this course.
 
Why are Japanese auto companies doing so well? Why are Korean auto companies doing so well?

I would add that Tier 3 manufacturing is an uninspired mess, broken, and most of these small businesses are supplying garbage.

Deming and Sam Walton shared a concern about health care costs in their books of the late 80's, both stating that health care is a looming crisis for US manufacturing, and both stating that the reasons and solutions for this were out of the scope of their books.

I don't know how automakers are losing big money, but I bet it's because we suck at making automobiles in America. I would also bet that all the habits and paths that have led us to these crises are catching up with us. I suspect there is no way to reverse this course.


I don't agree that the Big 3 "suck at making automobiles in America." Their product is not half bad, albeit slow to the plate. What we "suck at" is how they run their businesses.

Also, I audit a lot of tier 3 companies, and they make much better stuff and run much better TS or ISO systems than their tier 1 or OE customers. Which ones are you referring to that were so bad?
 
I disagree that the Big 3 suck at making cars in America. They make many excellent cars. However, they did make some poorly designed cars to fill their market segments and have achieved a bad reputation for those decisions.

I work with many Tier 3 companies that are great organizations. They are just as capable as the Tier 1 copanies.

The Japanese save a lot of money from commonizing components. It is far more economical to make 5 million identical engines than it is to make 400,000 units of engine A, 700,000 units of engine B, etc. You could even spend twice as much money to develop the 5 million unit engine, achieve a superior engine and save a lot of developmental costs over the multiple engine platforms. Use common bolts and it is easier to maintain inventory, supply your operators with sockets, ... The Big 3 are making great improvements. Some people just made poor decisions in the past.
 
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