Receiving inspection and Internal Audit schedule

[Ron Tollett]

Two questions and one request. Would receiving inspection fall under 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product? Secondly, can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard? Thirdly, i have an audit schedule but is not very user friendly. Would someone have an audit schedule that is more user friendly?

 

[Jim Wynne]

Would receiving inspection fall under 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product?

Yes.

Secondly, can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard?

Either way, but if your process documentation was written with satisfying the standard in mind, there's no need to bring the standard into it. In fact, if your process documentation wasn't written with the standard in mind, you should fix that.

Thirdly, i have an audit schedule but is not very user friendly. Would someone have an audit schedule that is more user friendly?

I don't have anything, but there's no need for it to be complicated. Say what/who/when and you're done.

 

[db]

Two questions and one request. Would receiving inspection fall under 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product? Secondly, can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard? Thirdly, i have an audit schedule but is not very user friendly. Would someone have an audit schedule that is more user friendly?

Although receiving inspection is under 7.4.3, it does not require a documented procedure. The same applies for 8.2.4. The reason I bring that ups is several of my clients had receiving inspection as part of their procedure for inspection of product. They elected to keep receiving inspection there. In their Quality Manual, they reflected that receiving inspection was considered part of their product inspection, not purchasing.

As far as your second question, most folks in the organization probably don't have a good handle on the standard. Once you can show that each "shall" of the standard is met in your QMS, then put the standard away and focus on your processes and your QMS. The audits will be much more useful and value-added.

An easy schedule would be to list your processes and the non-process parts of the QMS. Figure out about how long each component will take to audit. Then decide how many times a year you want to audit each component. From there, you can easily divide up the components into the availble time. A simple spreadsheet can be used for this.

 

[Colin]

Two questions and one request. Would receiving inspection fall under 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product? Secondly, can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard? Thirdly, i have an audit schedule but is not very user friendly. Would someone have an audit schedule that is more user friendly?

It is difficult to know whether we have a more user friendly schedule until you show us what you currently have! Can you post it for us to see?

 

[keres]

can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard?

Absolutely yes!

 

[bill6]

Re: inspection and Internal Audit schedule

each clause should be audited at least once a year. am new to the cove and trying to get my feet wet here. Thanks

 

[Jason PCSwitches]

Re: inspection and Internal Audit schedule

each clause should be audited at least once a year. am new to the cove and trying to get my feet wet here. Thanks

Welcome to the Cove, but that's not the correct approach to take.

 

[AndyN]

Two questions and one request. Would receiving inspection fall under 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product? Secondly, can the audit schedule, and audit questions, be based on the procedures written or the standard? Thirdly, i have an audit schedule but is not very user friendly. Would someone have an audit schedule that is more user friendly?

Ron, since this is an internal audit, forget the standard! You should be auditing the process! Also, think about why you need to be auditing it - what value is the audit to management? New supplier? Changed? Letting through bad parts/taking too long etc?

Audit schedules don't need to be extensive - don't try to predict out more than 30 days, except if you know there are some planned events to audit just prior to - like a customer or CB visit. You are NOT required to have a full calendar or, as has been suggested, audit everything once a year...

 

[Ron Tollett]

I am apparently on the right track. I started with this firm and they have been auditing the standard. I've indicated to the staff, if the process meets the standard it s the process which should be audited to confirm we do what we say and say what we do!!

 

[AndyN]

...don't forget what's effective, Ron. They may have written down dumb stuff and be doing it, all in the name of 'ISO' so be sure to audit the process for RESULTS!