Can anyone tell me if this is a solid book to use as a reference or should I take it with a grain of salt? I ask because I have had questions concerning some of our past audits and what the auditor states as fact (and I believe is actually his opinion) conflicts with what I have found in the book. This tells me that it is actually his opinion he was voicing and therefore I should not have to take it too seriously.
If you are referring to the issue on document retention period posted in the other thread, I think its time that you should ask your CB for a change of auditor or look for another CB rather than doubting the book. This is one of the most popular book around.
I regard the books written by David Hoyle as some of the better ones compared to others. Mr. Hoyle provides excellent guidelines. But keep in mind that your organization must decide how ultimately the quality management system will look like.
Remember that the auditor can not audit beyond ISO 9001 and what your company has stated in its documents. You should always ask: "Where in the Standard does it say that....?" The auditor will back off.... The auditor can not impose requirements nor offer consultation.
Stijloor.
Like Harry, I wonder what specific conflict you note with your auditor versus the book's suggestions.
Jan (Stijloor) echoes the mantra of most quality professionals when confronted by an auditor who dictates something opposite of what your current practice is (usually phrased in the vernacular as):
"Show me the shall!"
meaning ANY auditor who cites an organization for a nonconformance has a duty to cite the chapter and verse from either the Standard OR the organization's own documentation and delineate how he sees your practice deviating from that guideline. (This holds true for government regulations as well.)
Often, auditors are guilty of "mission creep" in trying to hold an organization to a peculiar interpretation (the auditor's) of the Standard which is not agreed or accepted by the mainstream quality community. In such a case (weird interpretation), the organization may have to plead its case to the auditor's managers.
It is actually quite rare for an auditor to make up a "rule" out of whole cloth
(meaning he cannot point to an existing clause) and try to impose it on an organization - it is much more likely to be a difference of opinion on how to interpret the rule in practice.
Guess what! Sometimes the auditor is right! After several years of a down economy, many of the truly bad auditors have been flushed from the system.
When in doubt about your own interpretation, it is smart to come to the Cove with as many details as possible and lay out your case for us to pick and prod and come up with some help.
When folks do come, though, they need at the very least to quote the exact words used by the auditor because sometimes folks err in their interpretation of the auditor's view when they paraphrase it.
Good luck in resolving your audit issues!