As is usual, the hype far exceeds the actual truth. As I think, AI won't be powerful until it can deliver NEW INFORMATION to us. Currently, it can only summarize what already exists. If all the data to be trained on is already in the human database of knowledge, how can new information be discovered? Probably, there are combinations that have not yet been uncovered by humans, but in terms of pattern recognition, humans are extremely gifted in this area, given the pressures of evolution.
CHATGPT & AI Models are Here to Stay
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hogheavenfarm
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The base theory behind AI is simply consensus on an all encompassing (at the moment) scale, which it then "accepts" as truth, whether is is, or not. It can absorb more than a human can, and collate that information into pro's and con's, but must then accept the "vote" of the population of the data. If most data said the world is square, it would report that "the world is square, but some researchers believe it may be round, and there are fringe groups that believe it could actually be flat." It could then spit out "evidence" for each theory and write a nice summary. I prefer an AI-free zone.
AllTheThings
Involved In Discussions
Yeah, this is the argument I get in with people about LLMs in particular: AI models are predictive or generative stochastic algorithms. They are not 'right or wrong'. They, like many statistical functions, regress to the mean. This might be fine for a snippet of python code, where there are literally millions training tokens for an AI model. For instance: The mean value output of "write a python function that opens a CSV and analyzes blah blah from each column" or similar code prompt will likely be close to a 'true' value. But...
It sucks for 'deep' and complex questions that need precise answers...Like the world most of us live in around quality, metrology, and product safety. The training data could be as few as 3 or 5 'accurate' sources, and maybe a dozen questionable sources. Why should I accept an AI model output when its underlying data wouldn't pass muster with some basic regression analysis?
Until an AI model owner is willing to expose some of the probabilities (sample size/token count, mean, standard deviation) of their tokenization of data and output, we are limited in even understanding how to measure the accuracy of the output.
Sorry, rambling again...
Watton1440
Starting to get Involved
AI has almost ruined online chess for me. Half the people are using it to cheat, even on casual games. I might as well just play bots.
Randy
Super Moderator
I raised a ChatGPT question not 5 minutes ago and here's what I got back.
"Is the Elsmar Cove Forums any good?"
Here’s a clear, honest overview of whether the Elsmar Cove Forums are “any good” — what they actually are, what people think of them, and what to expect:
What Elsmar Cove Is
1. Depth and breadth of content
There are thousands of threads covering very niche and practical topics — from Lean manufacturing to ISO standards to auditing tips — so if you’re in a quality role, there’s likely something relevant. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Experienced community
Many participants are seasoned professionals and long-time contributors. Several threads from members praise the helpfulness, knowledge, and willingness to share practical advice. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
3. Global professional relevance
Participants are from different industries and regions, so you get diverse perspectives. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
Things to Know / Limitations
1. Not a slick modern platform
The forum software and design are functional but not as user-friendly or polished as modern community platforms — searching archives and navigating can take effort. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Quality varies by thread
Like any forum, some discussions are extremely helpful, others less so. It helps if you know roughly what you’re looking for or can vet responses critically.
3. Needs investment of time
Because of the volume of posts and history, getting fully up to speed can be time-consuming — some users have noted the learning curve. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
4. Online reputation checks call for caution
General web “trust” sites give only a moderate trust score to the broader domain (not a safety warning, just not super high), so use general web-safety common sense (like you would any large forum). Scam Detector
Verdict — Is It “Good”?
Yes, especially if you’re professionally involved in quality management
Elsmar Cove is widely regarded among its niche community as a valuable, free resource where experienced professionals help each other with real-world quality and standards questions. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
It’s not a casual social site or something for general browsing — but for quality assurance, compliance, manufacturing, auditing, and related fields, it’s one of the more established forums out there.
If you’re serious about quality topics and willing to invest a bit of time, it’s worth checking out. If you’re just casually curious or want quick answers with minimal reading, it might feel overwhelming.
If you want, I can point you to the best subforums/interfaces for beginners depending on your background (e.g., ISO 9001, Lean, auditing), just tell me what you’re using it for!
"Is the Elsmar Cove Forums any good?"
Here’s a clear, honest overview of whether the Elsmar Cove Forums are “any good” — what they actually are, what people think of them, and what to expect:
What Elsmar Cove Is
- It’s a long-running industry forum and resource focused primarily on quality assurance, quality management systems (QMS), standards (like ISO), audits, manufacturing processes, and related professional topics. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
- The site has been around since the mid-1990s and contains tens of thousands of discussion threads spanning many quality-related subjects. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
- In 2022, PQ Systems (a respected quality software company) acquired Elsmar Cove, and it continues operating as a hub for quality discussions and expert advice. Press Release
1. Depth and breadth of content
There are thousands of threads covering very niche and practical topics — from Lean manufacturing to ISO standards to auditing tips — so if you’re in a quality role, there’s likely something relevant. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Experienced community
Many participants are seasoned professionals and long-time contributors. Several threads from members praise the helpfulness, knowledge, and willingness to share practical advice. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
3. Global professional relevance
Participants are from different industries and regions, so you get diverse perspectives. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
Things to Know / Limitations1. Not a slick modern platform
The forum software and design are functional but not as user-friendly or polished as modern community platforms — searching archives and navigating can take effort. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Quality varies by thread
Like any forum, some discussions are extremely helpful, others less so. It helps if you know roughly what you’re looking for or can vet responses critically.
3. Needs investment of time
Because of the volume of posts and history, getting fully up to speed can be time-consuming — some users have noted the learning curve. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
4. Online reputation checks call for caution
General web “trust” sites give only a moderate trust score to the broader domain (not a safety warning, just not super high), so use general web-safety common sense (like you would any large forum). Scam Detector
Verdict — Is It “Good”?
Yes, especially if you’re professionally involved in quality management
Elsmar Cove is widely regarded among its niche community as a valuable, free resource where experienced professionals help each other with real-world quality and standards questions. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
It’s not a casual social site or something for general browsing — but for quality assurance, compliance, manufacturing, auditing, and related fields, it’s one of the more established forums out there.
If you’re serious about quality topics and willing to invest a bit of time, it’s worth checking out. If you’re just casually curious or want quick answers with minimal reading, it might feel overwhelming.
If you want, I can point you to the best subforums/interfaces for beginners depending on your background (e.g., ISO 9001, Lean, auditing), just tell me what you’re using it for!
And Gemini gave me this comment, 1 min. ago...I raised a ChatGPT question not 5 minutes ago and here's what I got back.
"Is the Elsmar Cove Forums any good?"
Here’s a clear, honest overview of whether the Elsmar Cove Forums are “any good” — what they actually are, what people think of them, and what to expect:
What Elsmar Cove Is
Positive Aspects
- It’s a long-running industry forum and resource focused primarily on quality assurance, quality management systems (QMS), standards (like ISO), audits, manufacturing processes, and related professional topics. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
- The site has been around since the mid-1990s and contains tens of thousands of discussion threads spanning many quality-related subjects. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
- In 2022, PQ Systems (a respected quality software company) acquired Elsmar Cove, and it continues operating as a hub for quality discussions and expert advice. Press Release
1. Depth and breadth of content
There are thousands of threads covering very niche and practical topics — from Lean manufacturing to ISO standards to auditing tips — so if you’re in a quality role, there’s likely something relevant. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Experienced community
Many participants are seasoned professionals and long-time contributors. Several threads from members praise the helpfulness, knowledge, and willingness to share practical advice. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
3. Global professional relevance
Participants are from different industries and regions, so you get diverse perspectives. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
1. Not a slick modern platform
The forum software and design are functional but not as user-friendly or polished as modern community platforms — searching archives and navigating can take effort. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
2. Quality varies by thread
Like any forum, some discussions are extremely helpful, others less so. It helps if you know roughly what you’re looking for or can vet responses critically.
3. Needs investment of time
Because of the volume of posts and history, getting fully up to speed can be time-consuming — some users have noted the learning curve. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum
4. Online reputation checks call for caution
General web “trust” sites give only a moderate trust score to the broader domain (not a safety warning, just not super high), so use general web-safety common sense (like you would any large forum). Scam Detector
Verdict — Is It “Good”?
Yes, especially if you’re professionally involved in quality management
Elsmar Cove is widely regarded among its niche community as a valuable, free resource where experienced professionals help each other with real-world quality and standards questions. Elsmar Cove Quality Forum+1
It’s not a casual social site or something for general browsing — but for quality assurance, compliance, manufacturing, auditing, and related fields, it’s one of the more established forums out there.
If you’re serious about quality topics and willing to invest a bit of time, it’s worth checking out. If you’re just casually curious or want quick answers with minimal reading, it might feel overwhelming.
If you want, I can point you to the best subforums/interfaces for beginners depending on your background (e.g., ISO 9001, Lean, auditing), just tell me what you’re using it for!
Yes, Randy is a prominent long-time member and Super Moderator on The Elsmar Cove Quality Forum, one of the oldest and most respected online communities for quality management professionals.
Key details about him from the forum include:
- Location: He is based in Greenwood, Arkansas, USA (near the Fort Smith area).
- Role and Tenure: He joined the forum in June 1999 and has contributed over 7,400 posts. He is recognized as a "Super Moderator" and is often cited by other members for his blunt and authoritative expertise on quality standards like ISO 9001 and ISO 14001.
- Professional Background: Randy has extensive experience as a Lead Auditor for various Certification Bodies (CBs) and frequently provides advice on auditing practices, career development in quality, and regulatory compliance.
- Forum Reputation: He is known for his direct, often humorous, "no-nonsense" communication style and his deep knowledge of the "real-world" application of quality standards.
Randy
Super Moderator
Goodness, surely not, there must be another Randy.
Just teasing ya Randy! We like you hereSimilar threads
