Communication of environmental policy "for persons working on its behalf" (4.4.2)

[Randy]

@hjilling

This is exactly the reason for my question.
My interpretation of 14K is to get the stame standard for contractors as for the own company.
Is it still enough to communicate the policy, targets and objectives?

In my opinion no. I think you should also have a look to the persons working on behalf and check the level of conformity with legal requirements for example.

Isn´t that also the idea of 9001 to evaluate suppliers quality standard with supplier audits?

QMarc

This latest post can be tied to 4.3.1 where we see the "control and influence" language, and in 4.4.6c where goods and services of suppliers and contractors is specified.......


In answer to the original question and after some head scratching here's what "WE" came up with....as long as they didn't specify the CB in the statement what we have is a challenge to their veracity, but not an N/C. Now if they state their EMS just "conforms" to the requirements of 14001 technically "no harm-no foul". We definitely would have some questions. (One of our ... I'm trying to be gentle...... SR individuals who lets say isn't prone in his home country to celebrate the 4th of July....believes we would be best served to toss a client that ventures from the truth as you originally put it in the example. I also posed this "hypothetical" to my EMS Lead Auditor class that I'm presently instructing and they pretty much came to the same conclusions that some of the folks around the office provided above.

That's the best I can give ya right now.

 

[Helmut Jilling]

@hjilling

This is exactly the reason for my question.
My interpretation of 14K is to get the stame standard for contractors as for the own company.
Is it still enough to communicate the policy, targets and objectives?

In my opinion no. I think you should also have a look to the persons working on behalf and check the level of conformity with legal requirements for example.

Isn´t that also the idea of 9001 to evaluate suppliers quality standard with supplier audits?

QMarc

Communicating it is compliant. You have to decide if it is enough for your needs.

In 9001, supplier audits are not required by the 9001 standard, but are certainly allowed. They are one option, but not the only option. Apply the best tool for the job. Evaluate them, and if you feel an audit would be beneficial, then do it. On another supplier, you may decide it is not needed, then don't do it. Select the best tool for each job, I say.

 

[pmwong]

Comm Of Environ Policy

Helo QMarc,

Could you pls provide me your email address, I would be able to send you a sample/samples which might of interest to you.

 

[QMarc]

@pmwong

If you are a registered user ... and you seem to be ... send me an E-mail to the adress included in my profile.

QMarc

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

send me an E-mail to the adress included in my profile.

All you need to do is to click any users name: Unless the user has disabled this function you will now see a menu with (among other things) the options to send a private message or email. You will not see the mail address, but sending a mail to the user will of course reveal your address to the reciever.

/Claes

 

[pmwong]

email address

QMarc,

I have forwarded the address.