There is no fee to be a member of TC 176. There is an Observer fee of $250 for the US TAG. Paying the observer fee is to see the documents and have access to them. Observer members can even comment. They just have no vote. Meetings are open to anyone that would like to attend.
Observers do not have to attend meetings, review documents, vote, or participate. Observers do get to read / review all documents, work items, opinions, vote results, etc. ANSI is the oversight body for the US TAG to ISO/TC 176. I believe the observer fee was implemented by ANSI and not the members or leaders within the TAG. TC 207 has an application fee of $275. I believe this fee is a carryover from ASTM when they were the oversight body.
Complain to the oversight bodies about the fees. Better yet, get involved and plan the TC 176 or TC 207 processes and infrastructure to eliminate the fees. $250 – 275 to be privy to lots of information on ISO documents is a small price to pay. And it is a one-time fee. Quality Systems Update magazine is $375 USD / year. ISO Management Systems magazine is $109 USD / year.
There is no catch. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. The application to the US TAG to TC 176 is attached. The meetings are public. All are invited to attend even if they do not become an observer or voting member.
Jason Knopes is the Standards Administrator for the US Standards Group. He would be the person to provide you with an application, process the application, etc.
Hello Sidney:
Here is my personal opinion. You are incorrect. I have no idea where you got the info that a TC is "scared?" I am an active member of the US TAG / TC 176 and I have no idea what you are talking about. The US TAG to ISO / TC 176 is responsible for the US position on the ISO 9000 series of documents. These documents are intended to be improvement tools for organizations. Procrastination to be registered to a new revision is an issue for the conformity assessment world. There is the standard, the implementation of the standard, and conformity assessment to the standard. Which of the 3 is the cause of the procrastination to register to ISO 9000:2000 or the apparent decline in ISO 9000 registrations? What is the cause – effect? The cause could be the standard. But I doubt it since there were few new requirements in ISO 9001:2000 over the 1994 version. This procrastination phenomenon was discussed and analyzed in the US TAG. But the main purpose of ISO 9001:2000 is for organizational improvement, not registration.
TC 176 does not operate under the constraints of conformity assessment. The ISO 9000 series are meant to be tools to improve organizations. Registrations and conformity assessment is a separate but related industry. Why would TC 176 be scared to support continual improvement? The TAG processes require review of documents at certain time frames in an attempt to insure suitability, adequacy and continual improvement.
Organizational cultures don’t change overnight. And this assumes that they need to. You may be referring to Jack West. The leaders of the US TAG (or Good Ol Boys) have a vote that is equal to everyone else’s vote in the US TAG. As a member body, the US TAG has one vote, which is equal to all other member bodies of TC 176. To think that the US TAG controls the international process is a fallacy. And to think that the politics are isolated to the US TAG is also a fallacy. Spend some time with Jack West and the rest of the TAG leadership. Find out what the politics are at all levels within ISO and in all countries that participate. Not an easy task. I have witnessed first hand the leaders openly discussing international politics of votes and the issue positions of other countries. Very complex!
How do we know that Mr. or Mrs. TAG would not have engaged in the same activities, consulting and publishing, had they not been involved in the TAG? For those that condemn Mr. And Mrs. TAG, I hope you do not possess or reference their work.
The leaders of the US Standards Group pour their heart and soles into bettering the world of management systems. Some have published books, others have not. Are they to be blamed for this? Are we saying that their books would not sell had they never been part of the TAG? They are brilliant people and their thoughts certainly should be valued independent of their association with the voluntary TAG.
Do you vote or do you come to the same conclusion that we can't make a change via a consensus process?
All of the meetings are public. Please attend. An error in attributing behavior to incorrect causes is part of human nature. This is especially easy to do if we were not even present when the behavior was exhibited.
I commend YYYYYYYYY for becoming a member of the US TAG to ISO/TC 176.
I believe that YYYYYYYYY has been to one meeting. Realize we all (including me) filter what we see and hear. Just because I write something or YYYYYYYYY publishes something on his website in no way means that it is the truth. The truth may be unknown or unknowable. Everything one experiences is different from what others experienced before. Nothing in the universe is static. Everything is constantly changing. As a consequence, the notion of "right" or "wrong" is open to challenge. What is "perfect " or "right" for any given situation, may over time, no longer be appropriate.
Get involved. Find out. The US TAG is only one voting member body of the world wide TC 176. The US vote is equal to all of the other member body votes.
There may be backlash from my posting. You asked for an opinion and there it is. I may be incorrect also. I may have made attributional errors also. My brain filters what I see and hear also. I am presenting this opinion personally and I am not representing the US TAG nor ISO.
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