New website for AIAO-BAR - Unaccredited Accreditation Body

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In my opinion, this is just a facade accreditation scheme, with no legitimacy, no recognition, no authoritative context, no structure, nothing of substance behind it. Prove me wrong and post data to the contrary.

Something for gullible people to be preyed upon.

For someone so disinterested in the deal, you sure come across as defending very strongly this AB.

As for the fees charged by AB's, IF they give confidence to the stakeholders, that is an investment. If an AB only provides a "certificate of accreditation" and a semi-patriotic logo to be used, giving ZERO confidence in return, that is a waste of US$500.00.
 
Boingo-boingo said:
IF they give confidence to the stakeholders
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I don't have a direct horse in this race, but I have a comment on the above expression.

As a medical device maker, we would like to be able to have confidence in our suppliers' quality-system certifications. We have found that "confidence" is a bad way to run our business.

Certainly if a certification system were entirely a scam, top to bottom, we would like to know that. We however have found that the "good" system's certificates are not reliable...so what is the substance of an argument that an upstart competing system is inferior? If the "good" system doesn't provide reliability, what does inferior mean?
 
I am not defending this AB as much as rejecting your supposition based, according to you, solely on opinion. I provided facts that seemed pertinent to the discussion. You provided aspersions.
 
MIREGMGR said:
We however have found that the "good" system's certificates are not reliable...so what is the substance of an argument that an upstart competing system is inferior? If the "good" system doesn't provide reliability, what does inferior mean?
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You started the Trust of ISO13485 Certification... A Sad Story thread, which exemplifies how IAF recognized certificates might not provide you, the customer with confidence on the supplier's capability.

There were several avenues of recourse described in that thread. It seems that you decided not to escalate the issue to RvA. It is your call. However, any organization that decides to rely on third-party certificates, duly accredited, pseudo-accredited or non-accredited needs to be prepared to keep the players, i.e., auditors, CB, AB, suppliers and themselves honest.

Anyone can bash the accredited certification process, but, in fairness, they should use all the recourses and escalations available to them, before reaching a conclusion that the system does not work. That's my opinion.
 
AGS Virtual Certification Program now refers to the IAF mandatory document #3 for advanced surveillance and recertification procedures. The guy is getting creative. but I gotta say: the fact they don't have any decertified client is surprising...(broken link removed) :sarcasm:
 
Virtual Certification?

Is that intended for virtual companies? Virtual products? Virtual people? Written on virtual paper?

Honor system program with no audits?

Existing in virtual reality?

Really?
 
In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the national accreditation body (NAB) of a state. like ANAB in case of USA, to assure that no other AB works (originating from their geographical jurisdiction) without their authorization and it is the responsibility of ISO to assure that all NABs of the signatory member states ensure compliance.

Factually ISO and respective NABs are to blame for all unaccredited business being undertaken globally.

IAF should recognize only those CBs which are accredited by their respective NABs.
 
Sorry, tampk, but ANAB has ZERO authority over other accreditation bodies operating in the USA. As mentioned numerous times, accreditation is NOT a regulated activity so, there are no laws being broken if anyone self appoints as an accreditation body. At least, for the time being.

So, ANAB can not do much other than try to educate people who is way too busy to be bothered with Accreditation 101 classes. As a result, certificate mills pop up and when questioned about their lack of accreditation, they self indulge into creating their own accreditation bodies...your part of the world is full of it: https://www.smis-ags.com/clients-system.php

ISO is not involved (technically) with accreditation and the IAF, as a coalition of the willing AB's can't do much either, other than attempting to educate the masses, unwilling to be educated.

Until accreditation becomes regulated, caveat emptor......
 
Reg, at the end of the day, it would still remain the responsibility of ISO and its respective members (respective NABs including PNAC) to enact regulations pertaining to abuse of the application of standards, otherwise how else can these be regulated globally. Unless all the ISO members get their heads together, it shall not get resolved. However thank you for reminding me that I have to follow it up with PNAC as well to include it as agenda to be discussed in the future ISO meetings.
 
tampk said:
In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the national accreditation body (NAB) of a state. like ANAB in case of USA, to assure that no other AB works (originating from their geographical jurisdiction) without their authorization and it is the responsibility of ISO to assure that all NABs of the signatory member states ensure compliance.

Factually ISO and respective NABs are to blame for all unaccredited business being undertaken globally.

IAF should recognize only those CBs which are accredited by their respective NABs.
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One note, ANAB is NOT, repeat, NOT, the National AB. They are one of two or more ABs, - international Signatory bodies - that provide accreditations.

ILAC and IAF work together to assure that ABs make sure that CBs do what they do in accordance with requirements.

Hope this helps.
 
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