Internal Audit Training - An Internal Audit Training Map

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Audit training again

We are about to do some audit training. As I intend to have a look at ISO 19011, I mapped it, and now I can think of no reason not to post it right here.

Maybe it's about time we had another audit training discussion? Over to the Cove dwellers...

/Claes

 

[WALLACE]

Audit training map overview

Very well done Claes, an excellent presentation.

How does this communication format go down with the recipients of such mapped information?
Wallace.

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Thank's Wallace,

The normal reaction (among those not used to this format) is something like:

1. Whups! What's this then? Looks complicated...
2. Aha. So I should start from the middle? Oh, allright....
3. Hey... it's not so complicated after all. Neat...

/Claes

 

[Marc]

The Normal Reaction

Sounds like with flow charts and such. When you come across someone who hasn't seen one before it's - well, different. But the intrinsic pattern of the map makes it relatively easy to understand without a lot of explaining.

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Yes, people grasp it much in the same way as they would grasp a flowchart. It's essentially the same thing, after all. Other benefits are:

• The map contains and conveys so much more info than ordinary text
• It's clearly a lot easier to remember than text. Particularly if you start adding pictures.
• It's a lot easier to spot as well as correct errors in a map than in ordinary text

/Claes

 

[Marc]

Do you see this as valid for both internal auditor training as well as 2nd and 3rd party auditing?

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Do you see this as valid for both internal auditor training as well as 2nd and 3rd party auditing?

Hey... I had forgotten about this one . Well basically this is nothing but a rehash of ISO19011 with the intention of getting a better overall picture. So is 19011 valid for internal audits?

IMO: It is mostly valid but a bit of overkill as internal audits are concerned. It does provide a systematic approach to auditing. My intention was to get a discussion going among the internal auditors. It worked....

/Claes

 

[mosheeps]

Re: Audit training again

Great mapping, Claes.

One comment, though: how about the new edition of the standard, 19011:2011?
It has some new annexes worth noticing !!!

 

[ssz102]

Re: Audit training again

this thinking are very beautiful

only need to enough system professional knowedge for the trainer

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

One comment, though: how about the new edition of the standard, 19011:2011?
It has some new annexes worth noticing !!!

So it does. I will be honest and admit that I had forgotten about this map. I did it back in 2003 after all.

/Claes