Is a dual ISO9001 AND AS9100 QMS Feasible?

[w_grunfeld]

My client is a small (50-60 people) design , assembly and integration house, with all manufacturing operations outsourced. About 50% of its business is industrial machines , mostly one of a kind , no formal customer quality requirements , the other 50% is subcontracts to aerospace contractors. The company QMS is presently ISO9001registered. Lately the aerospace customers press for upgrading the QMS to AS9100.
Management would like a dual QMS whereas only the aerospace projects would be under AS9100.
Intuitively I think this is not feasible and wonder if a registrar would even agree to such duality. Does anyone think this is feasible? If as I assume, it is not, does anyone have ideas for good arguments to convince management to change their mind?

 

[howste]

I don't see why it couldn't be done. The scope for the certification can be specified to clearly state what's covered under AS9100 and what's only under ISO 9001. I've helped companies to get certified to AS9100/ISO 9001 with similar conditions.

 

[Big Jim]

An AS9100 registration is automatically dueled with ISO 9001:2000 ans AS adds to ISO without taking anything away.

As Howste pointed out, it is all in the scope statement.

I understand that some registrars don't like that approach so you may want to make sure that the registrar you choose doesn't have a problem with it.

 

[windsal]

You are right. You must maintain two certificate. one is for aerospace produt and the other for civil product.

 

[Randy]

You are right. You must maintain two certificate. one is for aerospace produt and the other for civil product.

Where did you find this requirement?

 

[achorste]

We have both AS9100 & ISO 9001 as well as 13485. All 3 are on seperate certificates and our management system combines all 3 standards requirements (no 'seperate' prodcedures to cover individual requirements).

So yes, it is possible - IIRC the AS9100 requirements aren't that dissimilar to 9001 either.

 

[D.Scott]

Don't shoot yourself in the foot over this. AS9100 includes ISO9001. There is no reason you can't carry a single certificate to cover both aerospace and non-aerospace.

We have a similar situation and find no problem in holding a single certificate. Wording of the manual and procedures can be done to distinguish non-aerospace processes and product. For example the FAI procedure might identify aerospace in the scope and address non-aerospace in the body. Configuration management might contain a lesser requirement for non-aerospace. The requirement is still addressed but a more generic, less restrictive approach would be specified.

Good advice was given earlier - check with your registrar to see if they have a problem with a single certificate.

Dave

 

[Randy]

So yes, it is possible - IIRC the AS9100 requirements are that dissimilar to 9001 either.

What does this mean?

 

[achorste]

Sorry - typo & using abbreviations. (IIRC = If I remember correctly, and it should have read aren't)

The point I was trying to make was that the requirements for AS9100 are compatible with ISO9001 and so having one system to cover both is not an insurmountable challenge.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[AndyN]

And if I remember correctly (it's early and I haven't had a coffee yet) my CB will happily issue two certificates.............when would you like your audit, sir?