Production not following AS9100 std

[Chux]

If you have an AS9100 certification, can you produce product outside of the certification requirements? Can you have 1 product produced under the certification requirements and 1 product outside of it?

 

[Kronos147]

Can you have 1 product produced under the certification requirements and 1 product outside of it?

That what's the scope of your certificate is all about. If your organization makes widgets and makes paper-clips, and the scope of certification is "manufacturer of widgets," then the paper clips can be made without meeting AS requirements (or more accurately, are not subject to audit by the registrar).

 

[Randy]

Yep, you can even make bagels. Outside the scope is outside the scope

 

[Randall Beck]

Right or wrong this seems like a very slippery slope. A scope is a scope I get it, but do you state on your cocktail napkin certificate that "These parts are not produced to ISO9001:AS9100 standards"? If your procedures don't explicitly state that non AS9100 parts produced outside of the scope will at least state as such on the certificate or packing slip or use other documentation to show separation agreement this seems like bait and switch and false advertising to me.

I would guess that not a single customer of ours has ever read our scope. Half of them do not even specify or flow down ISO9001 requirements.

If you did not have an agreement in writing that your bagels could be produced outside of the producer's scope and you found out after the fact, that would be your last order from them, I'm sure.

If you made widgets and paperclips but widgets were only mentioned in your scope, but someone gave you a contract to produce flight actuators or ball screws for flap struts, how should we internally handle that?

 

[mattador78]

We initially had two standards running here 9001 and then 9100 for certain departments. We now have all departments under the 9100 umbrella but dont produce all work to the 9100 standard as that is not practicable, we have defined procedures and contract reviews which separate how this is flowed through the company and have had no issues with our audits and recerts with this system.

 

[Randy]

Right or wrong this seems like a very slippery slope. A scope is a scope I get it, but do you state on your cocktail napkin certificate that "These parts are not produced to ISO9001:AS9100 standards"?

Where's it written down that you can't use a cocktail napkin? I've a few clients that have product I audit and product I don't, the product not on the scope of the certificate is ignored kinda like safety stuff during an environmental audit......I don't care how many fingers are chopped off as long as there's no environmental impact from the blood and the waste is managed properly.....OUT OF SCOPE

If you made widgets and paperclips but widgets were only mentioned in your scope, but someone gave you a contract to produce flight actuators or ball screws for flap struts, how should we internally handle that? You'd apply for a change of scope, do all the paperwork and other stuff and get audited for the change...Not that major of a deal, see it many times a year.

 

[Bev D]

Agree with Randy. This split scope is not uncommon. For example, my last organization manufactured some product to USDA requirements and others only under our ISO9000 certification. The differentiator to our Customers was how the products themselves were notated. Those that were produced to USDA requirements were labeled as such. Those that didn’t, didn’t have that label. Simple and clearly met all legal requirements….During my time as in aerospace we made products that met GE requirements, Pratt and Whitney and Rolls Royce. While each required the AS standard they also had other tighter requirements and no one got to audit the other’s parts. Period.