New website for AIAO-BAR - Unaccredited Accreditation Body

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"...it would still remain the responsibility of ISO and its respective members.."

ISO create and maintain voluntary standards. That's all. There are no "respective members" in terms of ISO doing anything about accreditation or otherwise. IAAR, IAF, ABs, and so on, are not part of "ISO", either.
 
Andy,

Such misunderstandings are the consequence of our shorthand. "ISO Certification" confuses a lot of people. In the presence of newbies we should use proper terminology but often we don't and that results in time wasted on rework.

John
 
AndyN said:
"...it would still remain the responsibility of ISO and its respective members.."

ISO create and maintain voluntary standards. That's all. There are no "respective members" in terms of ISO doing anything about accreditation or otherwise. IAAR, IAF, ABs, and so on, are not part of "ISO", either.
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Actually Andy, ABs are in fact a part of ISO, though indirectly.

ABs (in the US there are eight) that are "Signatory" to ILAC or IAF usually go through a "Recognized Region" such as APLAC or PAC. The Regions evaluate the ABs in a peer-to-peer approach. The Regions in turn are evaluated by ILAC using the Regions in a peer-to-peer approach.

ILAC and IAF are the organizations through which ISO requirements are generally fed down.

Now, in the US, typically, a US-based AB will not be part of the team assessing another US-based due to competitive issues. There are exceptions of course. There are eight ILAC Signatories in the US. Two are - for lack of a better term - specialty ABs. There are four IAF Signatory ABs.

Once below the AB level, things become a little less clear in my opinion.
 
Hershal said:
Actually Andy, ABs are in fact a part of ISO, though indirectly.
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I understand Hershal. In the context an earlier comment was made, the implication was that "ISO" has a lot more "power", over the accreditation situation through "membership". TO me this implies a lot more direct relationship, than is actually the case.
 
Thanks Andy, it appears I may have misread the post.

Thanks for the clarification. I apologize for any confusion my reply may have caused.
 
[FONT=&quot]The U. S. District Court of Massachusetts has ruled in ANAB's favor in a summary judgment against American Global Standards (AGS). The court found that AGS had used the accreditation symbol of the ANSI-RAB National Accreditation Program (ANSI-RAB NAP, the predecessor of ANAB) without permission to deceive customers into believing that AGS was still accredited by ANAB (the ANSI-RAB NAP).[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]AGS lost their accreditation with ANSI-RAB, then decided to create their own accrediting body (AIAO-BAR) so they basically could self accredit themselves. This is an organization that I worked with that were bought out by AIR who were purchased by NQA-USA. Under AGS they also had a consulting arm that they were providing services that was not clear as to if there were conflicts of interest which was another reason for loosing ANSI-RAB accreditation.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]The whole idea behind the ASRP program with AGS is to undermine the audit process and to provide companies with the "easier" way out. The "policemen" and "nitpicking" are being replaced by a "virtual" review of what the company decides to send in and nothing to do with random sampling and offering an objective perspective on objective evidence observed to be seen "in action" The whole concept and program can be easily compared to the snake oil salesman of the old wild west, preying on those who do not not know the difference, or providing the lazy ones that want to take shortcuts an easier, less effective way getting "the paper on the wall".[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]This will fail on its merits, or better, lack of merits alone. To quote the great American Philosopher - J Timberlake, "What goes around, goes around, goes around comes all the way back around."
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I am trying to approve a supplier that has AIAO-BAR as the accreditation body for. My question is, how does AIAO-BAR compare to ANAB?

Regards -
Kim
 
In doing more extensive research, I'm seeing the delta. This site is fantastic. :agree1:
 
Yes .. you are toght .. ANAB had also clarified to me that they do not represent NAB in USA .. but the question is who represents NAB of USA?
 
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